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From: Heiko Carstens <heiko.carstens@de.ibm.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@de.ibm.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mingo@kernel.org,
	jiangshanlai@gmail.com, dipankar@in.ibm.com,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com,
	josh@joshtriplett.org, tglx@linutronix.de, rostedt@goodmis.org,
	dhowells@redhat.com, edumazet@google.com, fweisbec@gmail.com,
	oleg@redhat.com, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Martin Schwidefsky <schwidefsky@de.ibm.com>,
	linux-s390 <linux-s390@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 1/2] srcu: Allow use of Tiny/Tree SRCU from both process and interrupt context
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2017 19:20:15 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170606172015.GA3023@osiris> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170606161551.dy5lr6mo6vqujk5d@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Tue, Jun 06, 2017 at 06:15:51PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 06, 2017 at 05:27:06PM +0200, Heiko Carstens wrote:
> > On Tue, Jun 06, 2017 at 04:45:57PM +0200, Christian Borntraeger wrote:
> 
> > > As a side note, I am asking myself, though, why we do need the
> > > preempt_disable/enable for the cases where we use the opcodes 
> > > like lao (atomic load and or to a memory location) and friends.
> > 
> > Because you want the atomic instruction to be executed on the local cpu for
> > which you have to per cpu pointer. If you get preempted to a different cpu
> > between the ptr__ assignment and lan instruction it might be executed not
> > on the local cpu. It's not really a correctness issue.
> 
> As per the previous email, I think it is a correctness issue wrt CPU
> hotplug.

Yes, I realized that just a minute after I sent the above.

> > However in reality it doesn't matter at all, since all distributions we
> > care about have preemption disabled.
> 
> Well, either you support PREEMPT=y or you don't :-) If you do, it needs
> to be correct, irrespective of what distro's do with it.

That is true. Our s390 specific percpu ops are supposed to be correct for
PREEMPT=y, and that's apparently the only reason why I added the preempt
disable/enable pairs back then. I just had to remember why I did that ;)

> > So this_cpu_inc() should just generate three instructions: two to calculate
> > the percpu pointer and an additional asi for the atomic increment, with
> > operand specific serialization. This is supposed to be a lot faster than
> > disabling/enabling interrupts around a non-atomic operation.
> 
> So typically we joke about s390 that it has an instruction for this
> 'very-complicated-thing', but here you guys do not, what gives? ;-)

Tough luck. :)

  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-06-06 17:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20170605220919.GA27820@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
2017-06-05 22:09 ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 1/2] srcu: Allow use of Tiny/Tree SRCU from both process and interrupt context Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-06 10:53   ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-06-06 12:56     ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-06 13:08     ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-06-06 14:45       ` Christian Borntraeger
2017-06-06 15:27         ` Heiko Carstens
2017-06-06 15:37           ` Christian Borntraeger
2017-06-06 15:58             ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-06 16:15           ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-06-06 17:00             ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-06 17:20             ` Heiko Carstens [this message]
2017-06-06 16:12         ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-06-06 16:02       ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-06-06 11:09   ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-06-06 12:01     ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-06-06 12:53       ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-06 15:54         ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-06-06 15:59           ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-06 17:23   ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-06-06 17:50     ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-06 18:00       ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-06-06 18:22         ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-05 22:09 ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 2/2] srcu: Allow use of Classic " Paul E. McKenney

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