From: Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>
To: Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de>
Cc: "Radim Krčmář" <rkrcmar@redhat.com>,
linux-mips@linux-mips.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
kvm@vger.kernel.org, kvm-ppc@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-s390@vger.kernel.org,
"Marc Zyngier" <marc.zyngier@arm.com>,
"Christian Borntraeger" <borntraeger@de.ibm.com>,
"James Hogan" <james.hogan@imgtec.com>,
"Christoffer Dall" <cdall@linaro.org>,
"Paul Mackerras" <paulus@ozlabs.org>,
"David Hildenbrand" <david@redhat.com>,
"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 0/2] KVM: use RCU to allow dynamic kvm->vcpus array
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 09:36:12 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170817093612.024cc4bc.cohuck@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b77b151f-e51d-3657-66e9-6fbc83887b18@suse.de>
On Thu, 17 Aug 2017 09:04:14 +0200
Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de> wrote:
> On 16.08.17 21:40, Radim Krčmář wrote:
> > The goal is to increase KVM_MAX_VCPUS without worrying about memory
> > impact of many small guests.
> >
> > This is a second out of three major "dynamic" options:
> > 1) size vcpu array at VM creation time
> > 2) resize vcpu array when new VCPUs are created
> > 3) use a lockless list/tree for VCPUs
> >
> > The disadvantage of (1) is its requirement on userspace changes and
> > limited flexibility because userspace must provide the maximal count on
> > start. The main advantage is that kvm->vcpus will work like it does
> > now. It has been posted as "[PATCH 0/4] KVM: add KVM_CREATE_VM2 to
> > allow dynamic kvm->vcpus array",
> > http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org/msg1377285.html
> >
> > The main problem of (2), this series, is that we cannot extend the array
> > in place and therefore require some kind of protection when moving it.
> > RCU seems best, but it makes the code slower and harder to deal with.
> > The main advantage is that we do not need userspace changes.
>
> Creating/Destroying vcpus is not something I consider a fast path, so
> why should we optimize for it? The case that needs to be fast is execution.
>
> What if we just sent a "vcpu move" request to all vcpus with the new
> pointer after it moved? That way the vcpu thread itself would be
> responsible for the migration to the new memory region. Only if all
> vcpus successfully moved, keep rolling (and allow foreign get_vcpu again).
>
> That way we should be basically lock-less and scale well. For additional
> icing, feel free to increase the vcpu array x2 every time it grows to
> not run into the slow path too often.
I'd prefer the rcu approach: This is a mechanism already understood
well, no need to come up with a new one that will likely have its own
share of problems.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2017-08-17 7:36 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-08-16 19:40 [PATCH RFC 0/2] KVM: use RCU to allow dynamic kvm->vcpus array Radim Krčmář
2017-08-16 19:40 ` [PATCH RFC 1/2] KVM: remove unused __KVM_HAVE_ARCH_VM_ALLOC Radim Krčmář
2017-08-21 13:48 ` Christian Borntraeger
2017-08-16 19:40 ` [PATCH RFC 2/2] KVM: RCU protected dynamic vcpus array Radim Krčmář
2017-08-17 8:07 ` Cornelia Huck
2017-08-17 11:14 ` David Hildenbrand
2017-08-17 16:50 ` Radim Krčmář
2017-08-17 16:54 ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-08-17 7:04 ` [PATCH RFC 0/2] KVM: use RCU to allow dynamic kvm->vcpus array Alexander Graf
2017-08-17 7:36 ` Cornelia Huck [this message]
2017-08-17 9:16 ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-08-17 9:28 ` Cornelia Huck
2017-08-17 9:44 ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-08-17 9:55 ` David Hildenbrand
2017-08-17 10:18 ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-08-17 10:20 ` David Hildenbrand
2017-08-17 10:23 ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-08-17 10:31 ` David Hildenbrand
2017-08-17 14:54 ` Radim Krčmář
2017-08-17 19:17 ` Alexander Graf
2017-08-18 14:10 ` Radim Krčmář
2017-08-18 14:22 ` Marc Zyngier
2017-08-17 7:29 ` David Hildenbrand
2017-08-17 7:37 ` Cornelia Huck
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