From: Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>
To: David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>
Cc: Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>,
Alexey Kardashevskiy <aik@ozlabs.ru>,
kvm@vger.kernel.org, Yongji Xie <elohimes@gmail.com>,
Eric Auger <eric.auger@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH kernel] vfio-pci: Allow mapping MSIX BAR
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 17:03:31 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171129220331.GC31092@char.us.oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171122044455.GR2380@umbus.fritz.box>
On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 03:44:55PM +1100, David Gibson wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 09:28:46PM -0700, Alex Williamson wrote:
> > On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 15:09:32 +1100
> > Alexey Kardashevskiy <aik@ozlabs.ru> wrote:
> >
> > > By default VFIO disables mapping of MSIX BAR to the userspace as
> > > the userspace may program it in a way allowing spurious interrupts;
> > > instead the userspace uses the VFIO_DEVICE_SET_IRQS ioctl.
> > >
> > > This works fine as long as the system page size equals to the MSIX
> > > alignment requirement which is 4KB. However with a bigger page size
> > > the existing code prohibits mapping non-MSIX parts of a page with MSIX
> > > structures so these parts have to be emulated via slow reads/writes on
> > > a VFIO device fd. If these emulated bits are accessed often, this has
> > > serious impact on performance.
> > >
> > > This adds an ioctl to the vfio-pci device which hides the sparse
> > > capability and allows the userspace to map a BAR with MSIX structures.
> >
> > So the user is in control of telling the kernel whether they're allowed
> > to mmap the msi-x vector table. That makes absolutely no sense. If
> > you're trying to figure out how userspace knows whether to implicitly
> > avoid mmap'ing the msix region, I think there are far better ways in
> > the existing region info ioctl. We could use a flag, or maybe the
> > existence of a capability chain pointer, or a new capability. But
> > absolutely not this. The kernel needs to decide whether it's going to
> > let the user do this, not the user. Thanks,
>
> No, it doesn't. This is actually the approach we discussed in Prague.
>
> Remember that intercepting access to the MSI-X table is not a host
> safety / security issue. It's just that without that we won't wire up
How is that not a security issue? Having an guest or an user-space
access to muck with the MSI-X vectors allows them to do some form
of memory writes using the IOAPIC.
> the device's MSI-X vectors properly so they won't work.
>
> Basically the decision here is between
>
> A) Allow MSI-X configuration via standard PCI mechanisms, at the
> cost of making access slow for any registers sharing a page with
> the MSI-X table.
>
> or
>
> B) Make access to BAR registers sharing a page with the MSI-X table
> fast, at the cost of requiring some alternative mechanism to
> configure MSI-X vectors.
>
> And that is a tradeoff that it is reasonable for userspace to make.
>
> In the case of KVM guests, the decision depends entirely on the
> *guest* platform. Usually we need (A) because the guest expects to be
> able to poke the MSI-X table in the usual way. However for PAPR
> guests, there's an alternative mechanism via an RTAS call, which means
> we can use (B).
>
> The host kernel can't make this decision, because it doesn't know the
> guest platform (well, KVM might, but VFIO doesn't).
>
> A userspace VFIO program could also elect for (B) if it does care
> about performance of access to registers in the same BAR as the MSI-X
> table, but doesn't need MSI-X for example.
>
> --
> David Gibson | I'll have my music baroque, and my code
> david AT gibson.dropbear.id.au | minimalist, thank you. NOT _the_ _other_
> | _way_ _around_!
> http://www.ozlabs.org/~dgibson
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2017-11-29 22:03 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-11-22 4:09 [RFC PATCH kernel] vfio-pci: Allow mapping MSIX BAR Alexey Kardashevskiy
2017-11-22 4:25 ` David Gibson
2017-11-22 4:28 ` Alex Williamson
2017-11-22 4:44 ` David Gibson
2017-11-22 5:14 ` Alex Williamson
2017-11-22 5:31 ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2017-11-22 6:51 ` David Gibson
2017-11-29 3:25 ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2017-11-29 3:57 ` David Gibson
2017-11-29 4:38 ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2017-11-29 5:17 ` David Gibson
2017-11-29 7:58 ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2017-11-29 8:52 ` David Gibson
2017-11-29 20:06 ` Alex Williamson
2017-11-29 22:03 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk [this message]
2017-11-29 22:49 ` Alex Williamson
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