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From: Christoffer Dall <christoffer.dall@linaro.org>
To: Shih-Wei Li <shihwei@cs.columbia.edu>
Cc: Yury Norov <ynorov@caviumnetworks.com>,
	Andrew Jones <drjones@redhat.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, kvmarm@lists.cs.columbia.edu,
	Marc Zyngier <marc.zyngier@arm.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Christoffer Dall <cdall@cs.columbia.edu>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 2/2] arm64: add micro test
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 09:17:55 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180124081755.GO21802@cbox> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAO+sbHHKyYHjGqmS5uM=C6bCnUQ2CbHmmFBTAb=WanQsWdLU2Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Shih-Wei,

On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 04:57:55PM -0500, Shih-Wei Li wrote:
> Thanks for the feedback about the mistakes in math and some issues in
> naming, print msg, and coding style. I'll be careful and try to avoid
> the same problems the next patch set. Sorry for all of the confusion.
> 
> So we now skip the test when "sample == 0" happens over 1000 times.
> This is only due to the case that "cost is < 1/cntfrq" since it's not
> possible for the tick to overflow for that many times. Did I miss
> something here? I do agree that we should output better msgs to tell
> users that the cost of a certain test is constantly smaller than a
> tick.
> 

I think for things like vmexit counts, it's very likely that all the
samples will result in 0 ticks on many systems (fast CPU and slow arch
counter; the architecture doesn't give us any guarantees here).  For
example, a system with a 2 GHz CPU and a 1 MHz counter will give you a
granularity of 2000 cycles for each counter tick, which is not that
useful for low-level tuning of KVM.

So what I thought we were going to do was:

main_test_function()
{
	long ntimes = NTIMES;
	long cost, total_cost;

	cnt1 = read_cnt();
	do {
		run_test();
	} while(ntimes--);
	cnt2 = read_cnt();

	if (verify_sane_counter(cnt1, cnt2))
		return;

	total_cost = to_nanoseconds(cnt2 - cnt1);
	cost = total_cost / NTIMES;
	printf("testname: %l (%l)\n", cost, total_cost);
}

And in that way amortize the potential lack of precision over all the
iterations.  Did I miss some prior discussion about why that was a bad
idea?

It would also be possible to have two functions, one that does the above
and one that does a per-run measurement, in case the user wants to know
min/max/stddev and is running on a system with sufficient precision.
The method could be chosen via an argument.

Thanks,
-Christoffer

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-01-24  8:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-01-17 21:46 [PATCH v3 0/2] Support micro operation measurement on arm64 Shih-Wei Li
2018-01-17 21:46 ` [PATCH v3 1/2] arm/arm64: add GICD_IIDR definition Shih-Wei Li
2018-01-17 21:46 ` [PATCH v3 2/2] arm64: add micro test Shih-Wei Li
2018-01-18  9:30   ` Andrew Jones
2018-01-18 10:09   ` Yury Norov
2018-01-18 10:37     ` Andrew Jones
2018-01-18 11:39       ` Yury Norov
2018-01-19 21:57         ` Shih-Wei Li
2018-01-20 11:26           ` Yury Norov
2018-01-22  8:48           ` Andrew Jones
2018-01-23 18:48             ` Shih-Wei Li
2018-01-23 19:54               ` Andrew Jones
2018-01-24  8:17           ` Christoffer Dall [this message]
2018-01-24  8:30             ` Andrew Jones
2018-01-24  9:23               ` Christoffer Dall
2018-01-25  2:55                 ` Shih-Wei Li
2018-01-25  8:52                   ` Christoffer Dall
2018-01-25 13:45                     ` Shih-Wei Li
2018-01-18  8:45 ` [PATCH v3 0/2] Support micro operation measurement on arm64 Yury Norov

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