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From: Halil Pasic <pasic@linux.ibm.com>
To: Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>
Cc: linux-s390@vger.kernel.org, Eric Farman <farman@linux.ibm.com>,
	Pierre Morel <pmorel@linux.ibm.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, qemu-s390x@nongnu.org,
	Farhan Ali <alifm@linux.ibm.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/5] vfio-ccw: concurrent I/O handling
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2019 14:06:01 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190123140601.54b2c768@oc2783563651> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190123113447.04354ae4.cohuck@redhat.com>

On Wed, 23 Jan 2019 11:34:47 +0100
Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 22 Jan 2019 20:03:31 +0100
> Halil Pasic <pasic@linux.ibm.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, 22 Jan 2019 18:26:17 +0100
> > Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > On Tue, 22 Jan 2019 13:46:12 +0100
> > > Halil Pasic <pasic@linux.ibm.com> wrote:
> 
> > > > Unsolicited interrupts are another
> > > > piece of cake -- I have no idea how may of those do we get.  
> > > 
> > > They at least don't have the "free the cp before we got final state"
> > > bug. But I think both are reasons to get away from "use the BUSY state
> > > to ensure the right sequence".
> > >   
> > 
> > I'm not sure I understand you correctly. I was under the impression that
> > the whole point in having a state machine was to ensure the states are
> > traversed in the right sequence with the right stuff being done on each
> > transition. At least in theory.
> 
> Sequence in user space programs, not in the state machine.
> 

I'm a bit confused.

> > 
> > You've probably figured out that IMHO vfio-ccw is not in a good shape
> > (to put it mildly). I have a hard time reviewing a non-holistic
> > concurrency fix. Please tell sould I get perceived as non-constructive,
> > I will try to cut back on criticism. 
> 
> I'm afraid this is just confusing me :(
> 
> > 
> > > > And because
> > > > of this the broken sequencing in userspace could actually be the kernels
> > > > fault.  
> > > 
> > > Here, I can't follow you at all :(
> > >   
> > 
> > Should we ever deliver a zeroed out IRB to the userspace, for the next
> > ioinst it would look like we have no status nor FC bit set. That is, the
> > guest could end up with stuff in parallel that was never supposed to
> > be in parallel (i.e. broken sequencing because kernel feeds false
> > information due to race with unsolicited interrupt).
> > 
> > Does that help?
> 
> Not at all, I'm afraid :( User space programs still need to make sure
> they poke the interfaces in the right order IMO...
> 

Yes, one can usually think of interfaces as contracts: both sides need
to keep their end for things to work as intended. Unfortunately the
vfio-ccw iterface is not a very well specified one, and that makes
reasoning about right order so much harder.

I was under the impression that the right ordering is dictated by the
SCSW in userspace. E.g. if there is an FC bit set there userspace is not
ought to issue a SSCH request (write to the io_region). The kernel part
however may say 'userspace read the actual SCSW' by signaling
the io_trigger eventfd. Userspace is supposed to read the IRB from the
region and update it's SCSW.

Now if userspace reads a broken SCSW from the IRB, because of a race
(due to poorly written kernel part -- userspace not at fault), it is
going to make wrong assumptions about currently legal and illegal
operations (ordering).

Previously I described a scenario where IRB can break without userspace
being at fault (race between unsolicited interrupt -- can happen at any
time -- and a legit io request). I was under the impression we agreed on
this.

This in turn could lead to userspace violating the contract, as perceived
by the kernel side.

> At this point, I'm mostly confused... I'd prefer to simply fix things
> as they come up so that we can finally move forward with the halt/clear
> handling (and probably rework the state machine on top of that.)
> 

I understand. I guess you will want to send a new version because of the
stuff that got lost in the rebase, or?

Regards,
Halil

  reply	other threads:[~2019-01-23 13:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-01-21 11:03 [PATCH v2 0/5] vfio-ccw: support hsch/csch (kernel part) Cornelia Huck
2019-01-21 11:03 ` [PATCH v2 1/5] vfio-ccw: make it safe to access channel programs Cornelia Huck
2019-01-22 14:56   ` Halil Pasic
2019-01-22 15:19     ` Cornelia Huck
2019-01-21 11:03 ` [PATCH v2 2/5] vfio-ccw: concurrent I/O handling Cornelia Huck
2019-01-21 20:20   ` Halil Pasic
2019-01-22 10:29     ` Cornelia Huck
2019-01-22 11:17       ` Halil Pasic
2019-01-22 11:53         ` Cornelia Huck
2019-01-22 12:46           ` Halil Pasic
2019-01-22 17:26             ` Cornelia Huck
2019-01-22 19:03               ` Halil Pasic
2019-01-23 10:34                 ` Cornelia Huck
2019-01-23 13:06                   ` Halil Pasic [this message]
2019-01-23 13:34                     ` Cornelia Huck
2019-01-24 19:16                       ` Eric Farman
2019-01-25 10:13                         ` Cornelia Huck
2019-01-22 18:33   ` Halil Pasic
2019-01-23 10:21     ` Cornelia Huck
2019-01-23 13:30       ` Halil Pasic
2019-01-24 10:05         ` Cornelia Huck
2019-01-24 10:08       ` Pierre Morel
2019-01-24 10:19         ` Cornelia Huck
2019-01-24 11:18           ` Pierre Morel
2019-01-24 11:45           ` Halil Pasic
2019-01-24 19:14           ` Eric Farman
2019-01-25  2:25   ` Eric Farman
2019-01-25  2:37     ` Eric Farman
2019-01-25 10:24       ` Cornelia Huck
2019-01-25 12:58         ` Cornelia Huck
2019-01-25 14:01           ` Halil Pasic
2019-01-25 14:21             ` Cornelia Huck
2019-01-25 16:04               ` Halil Pasic
2019-01-28 17:13                 ` Cornelia Huck
2019-01-28 19:30                   ` Halil Pasic
2019-01-29  9:58                     ` Cornelia Huck
2019-01-29 19:39                       ` Halil Pasic
2019-01-30 13:29                         ` Cornelia Huck
2019-01-30 14:32                           ` Farhan Ali
2019-01-28 17:09             ` Cornelia Huck
2019-01-28 19:15               ` Halil Pasic
2019-01-28 21:48                 ` Eric Farman
2019-01-29 10:20                   ` Cornelia Huck
2019-01-29 14:14                     ` Eric Farman
2019-01-29 18:53                       ` Cornelia Huck
2019-01-29 10:10                 ` Cornelia Huck
2019-01-25 15:57           ` Eric Farman
2019-01-28 17:24             ` Cornelia Huck
2019-01-28 21:50               ` Eric Farman
2019-01-25 20:22         ` Eric Farman
2019-01-28 17:31           ` Cornelia Huck
2019-01-25 13:09       ` Halil Pasic
2019-01-25 12:58     ` Halil Pasic
2019-01-25 20:21       ` Eric Farman
2019-01-21 11:03 ` [PATCH v2 3/5] vfio-ccw: add capabilities chain Cornelia Huck
2019-01-23 15:57   ` [qemu-s390x] " Halil Pasic
2019-01-25 16:19   ` Eric Farman
2019-01-25 21:00     ` Eric Farman
2019-01-28 17:34       ` Cornelia Huck
2019-01-21 11:03 ` [PATCH v2 4/5] s390/cio: export hsch to modules Cornelia Huck
2019-01-22 15:21   ` [qemu-s390x] " Halil Pasic
2019-01-21 11:03 ` [PATCH v2 5/5] vfio-ccw: add handling for async channel instructions Cornelia Huck
2019-01-23 15:51   ` Halil Pasic
2019-01-24 10:06     ` Cornelia Huck
2019-01-24 10:37       ` Halil Pasic
2019-01-25 21:00   ` Eric Farman
2019-01-28 17:40     ` Cornelia Huck

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