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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
Cc: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>,
	Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>,
	Yishai Hadas <yishaih@nvidia.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	parav@nvidia.com, feliu@nvidia.com, jiri@nvidia.com,
	kevin.tian@intel.com, joao.m.martins@oracle.com,
	leonro@nvidia.com, maorg@nvidia.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH vfio 11/11] vfio/virtio: Introduce a vfio driver over virtio devices
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2023 11:39:19 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230922111342-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230922122501.GP13733@nvidia.com>

On Fri, Sep 22, 2023 at 09:25:01AM -0300, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 22, 2023 at 11:02:50AM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> > On Fri, Sep 22, 2023 at 3:53 AM Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Thu, Sep 21, 2023 at 03:34:03PM -0400, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > >
> > > > that's easy/practical.  If instead VDPA gives the same speed with just
> > > > shadow vq then keeping this hack in vfio seems like less of a problem.
> > > > Finally if VDPA is faster then maybe you will reconsider using it ;)
> > >
> > > It is not all about the speed.
> > >
> > > VDPA presents another large and complex software stack in the
> > > hypervisor that can be eliminated by simply using VFIO.
> > 
> > vDPA supports standard virtio devices so how did you define
> > complexity?
> 
> As I said, VFIO is already required for other devices in these VMs. So
> anything incremental over base-line vfio-pci is complexity to
> minimize.
> 
> Everything vdpa does is either redundant or unnecessary compared to
> VFIO in these environments.
> 
> Jason

Yes but you know. There are all kind of environments.  I guess you
consider yours the most mainstream and important, and are sure it will
always stay like this.  But if there's a driver that does what you need
then you use that. You really should be explaining what vdpa
*does not* do that you need.

But anyway, if Alex wants to maintain this it's not too bad,
but I would like to see more code move into a library
living under the virtio directory. As it is structured now
it will make virtio core development harder.

-- 
MST


  reply	other threads:[~2023-09-22 15:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 181+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-09-21 12:40 [PATCH vfio 00/11] Introduce a vfio driver over virtio devices Yishai Hadas
2023-09-21 12:40 ` [PATCH vfio 01/11] virtio-pci: Use virtio pci device layer vq info instead of generic one Yishai Hadas
2023-09-21 13:46   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-26 19:13     ` Feng Liu
2023-09-27 18:09       ` Feng Liu
2023-09-27 21:24         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-21 12:40 ` [PATCH vfio 02/11] virtio: Define feature bit for administration virtqueue Yishai Hadas
2023-09-21 12:40 ` [PATCH vfio 03/11] virtio-pci: Introduce admin virtqueue Yishai Hadas
2023-09-21 13:57   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-26 19:23     ` Feng Liu
2023-09-27 18:12       ` Feng Liu
2023-09-27 21:27         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-02 18:07           ` Feng Liu
2023-09-21 12:40 ` [PATCH vfio 04/11] virtio: Expose the synchronous command helper function Yishai Hadas
2023-09-21 12:40 ` [PATCH vfio 05/11] virtio-pci: Introduce admin command sending function Yishai Hadas
2023-09-21 12:40 ` [PATCH vfio 06/11] virtio-pci: Introduce API to get PF virtio device from VF PCI device Yishai Hadas
2023-09-21 12:40 ` [PATCH vfio 07/11] virtio-pci: Introduce admin commands Yishai Hadas
2023-09-24  5:18   ` kernel test robot
2023-09-25  3:18   ` kernel test robot
2023-09-21 12:40 ` [PATCH vfio 08/11] vfio/pci: Expose vfio_pci_core_setup_barmap() Yishai Hadas
2023-09-21 16:35   ` Alex Williamson
2023-09-26  9:45     ` Yishai Hadas
2023-09-21 12:40 ` [PATCH vfio 09/11] vfio/pci: Expose vfio_pci_iowrite/read##size() Yishai Hadas
2023-09-21 12:40 ` [PATCH vfio 10/11] vfio/virtio: Expose admin commands over virtio device Yishai Hadas
2023-09-21 13:08   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-21 20:34   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-26 10:51     ` Yishai Hadas
2023-09-26 11:25       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-22  9:54   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-26 11:14     ` Yishai Hadas
2023-09-26 11:41       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-27 13:18         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-27 21:30           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-27 23:16             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-28  5:26               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-02  6:28         ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-10-02 15:13           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-05  8:49             ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-10-05 11:10               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-06 13:09                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-10-10 13:10                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-10 13:56                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-10 14:08                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-10 14:54                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-10 15:09                           ` Yishai Hadas
2023-10-10 15:14                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-10 15:43                               ` Yishai Hadas
2023-10-10 15:58                                 ` Parav Pandit
2023-10-10 15:58                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-10 16:09                                   ` Yishai Hadas
2023-10-10 20:42                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-11  7:44                                       ` Yishai Hadas
2023-10-11  8:02                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-11  8:58                                           ` Yishai Hadas
2023-10-11  9:03                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-11 11:25                                               ` Yishai Hadas
2023-10-11  6:12                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-10-10 15:59                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-10 16:03                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-10 16:07                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-10 16:21                                     ` Parav Pandit
2023-10-10 20:38                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-11  6:13                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-10-11  6:43                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-11  6:59                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-10-11  8:00                                       ` Parav Pandit
2023-10-11  8:10                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-11 12:18                                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-11 17:03                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-11 17:20                                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-11 17:05                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-12 10:29                                         ` Zhu, Lingshan
2023-10-12 13:27                                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                             ` <840d4c6f-4150-4818-a66c-1dbe1474b4c6@intel.com>
2023-10-13 13:50                                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-16  8:33                                                 ` Zhu, Lingshan
2023-10-16  8:52                                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-16  9:53                                                     ` Zhu, Lingshan
2023-10-11  8:12                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-12 10:30                                       ` Zhu, Lingshan
2023-10-11  6:26                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-10-11 13:57                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-11 14:17                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-10-11 14:58                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-11 16:59                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-11 17:19                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-11 20:20                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-21 12:40 ` [PATCH vfio 11/11] vfio/virtio: Introduce a vfio driver over virtio devices Yishai Hadas
2023-09-21 13:16   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-21 14:11     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-21 14:16       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-21 16:41         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-21 16:53           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-21 18:39             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-21 19:13               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-21 19:49                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-21 20:45                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-21 22:55                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-22  3:02                       ` Jason Wang
2023-09-22 11:23                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-22 12:15                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-22  3:01                   ` Jason Wang
2023-09-22 12:11                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-25  2:34                       ` Jason Wang
2023-09-25 12:26                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-25 19:44                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-26  0:40                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-26  5:34                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-26  5:42                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-26 13:50                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-27 21:38                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-27 23:20                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-28  5:31                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-26  4:37                           ` Jason Wang
2023-09-26  5:33                             ` Parav Pandit
2023-09-21 19:17               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-21 19:51                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-21 20:55                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-21 23:08                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-25  4:44                     ` Zhu, Lingshan
2023-09-22  3:45               ` Zhu, Lingshan
2023-09-21 13:33   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-21 16:43   ` Alex Williamson
2023-09-21 16:52     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-21 17:01       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-21 17:07         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-21 17:21           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-21 17:44             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-21 17:55               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-21 18:16                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-21 19:34                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-21 19:53                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-21 20:16                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-21 22:48                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-22  9:47                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-22 12:23                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-22 15:45                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-22  3:02                         ` Jason Wang
2023-09-22 12:22                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-22 12:25                             ` Parav Pandit
2023-09-22 15:13                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-22 15:15                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-22 15:40                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-22 16:22                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-25 17:36                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-25  2:30                               ` Jason Wang
2023-09-25  8:26                                 ` Parav Pandit
2023-09-25 18:36                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-26  2:34                                     ` Zhu, Lingshan
2023-09-26  3:45                                     ` Parav Pandit
2023-09-26  4:37                                       ` Jason Wang
2023-10-12 10:52                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-12 11:11                                         ` Parav Pandit
2023-10-12 11:30                                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-12 11:40                                             ` Parav Pandit
2023-09-26  2:32                                   ` Jason Wang
2023-09-26  4:01                                     ` Parav Pandit
2023-09-26  4:37                                       ` Jason Wang
2023-09-26  5:27                                         ` Parav Pandit
2023-09-26 11:49                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-08  4:28                                       ` Jason Wang
2023-09-22  3:02                       ` Jason Wang
2023-09-22 12:25                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-22 15:39                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2023-09-22 16:19                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-25 18:16                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-25 18:53                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-25 19:52                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-21 17:09         ` Parav Pandit
2023-09-21 17:24           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-21 19:58   ` Alex Williamson
2023-09-21 20:01     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-21 20:20       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-21 20:59         ` Alex Williamson
2023-09-22 12:37     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-22 12:59       ` Parav Pandit
2023-09-26 15:20     ` Yishai Hadas
2023-09-26 17:00       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-02  4:38         ` Parav Pandit
2023-09-22 10:10   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-22 15:53   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-02 11:23     ` Parav Pandit

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