From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
Cc: Dongli Zhang <dongli.zhang@oracle.com>,
David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
Joe Jin <joe.jin@oracle.com>,
x86@kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, pbonzini@redhat.com,
tglx@linutronix.de, mingo@redhat.com, bp@alien8.de,
dave.hansen@linux.intel.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 1/1] KVM: x86: add param to update master clock periodically
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2023 23:16:51 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20231002211651.GA3774@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20231002210607.GD27267@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net>
On Mon, Oct 02, 2023 at 11:06:07PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 02, 2023 at 11:18:50AM -0700, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > +PeterZ
> >
> > Thomas and Peter,
> >
> > We're trying to address an issue where KVM's paravirt kvmclock drifts from the
> > host's TSC-based monotonic raw clock because of historical reasons (at least, AFAICT),
> > even when the TSC is constant. Due to some dubious KVM behavior, KVM may sometimes
> > re-sync kvmclock against the host's monotonic raw clock, which causes non-trivial
> > jumps in time from the guest's perspective.
> >
> > Linux-as-a-guest demotes all paravirt clock sources when the TSC is constant and
> > nonstop, and so the goofy KVM behavior isn't likely to affect the guest's clocksource,
> > but the guest's sched_clock() implementation keeps using the paravirt clock.
> >
> > Irrespective of if/how we fix the KVM host-side mess, using a paravirt clock for
> > the scheduler when using a constant, nonstop TSC for the clocksource seems at best
> > inefficient, and at worst unnecessarily complex and risky.
> >
> > Is there any reason not to prefer native_sched_clock() over whatever paravirt
> > clock is present when the TSC is the preferred clocksource?
>
> I see none, that whole pv_clock thing is horrible crap.
In fact, I don't really see a reason to ever use pv_clock, even on
non-constant TSC. The sched_clock machinery used on x86 (and ia64 at
some point) reverts to tick-based + 'TSC-with-monotonicity-filter
refinement' once it detects the TSC is crap.
And that should work in a guest too I suppose.
Also, I really should clean all that up -- it's all static_key based,
but I think I can do a saner version with static_call. But that's stuck
somewhere on the eternal todo list.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-10-02 21:17 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-09-26 23:06 [PATCH RFC 1/1] KVM: x86: add param to update master clock periodically Dongli Zhang
2023-09-27 0:29 ` Joe Jin
2023-09-27 0:36 ` Dongli Zhang
2023-09-28 16:18 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-09-29 20:15 ` Dongli Zhang
2023-10-02 8:33 ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-02 16:37 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-02 17:17 ` Dongli Zhang
2023-10-02 18:18 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-02 21:06 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-02 21:16 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2023-10-02 18:16 ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-03 0:53 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-03 1:32 ` Dongli Zhang
2023-10-03 1:49 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-03 2:07 ` Dongli Zhang
2023-10-03 21:00 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-03 5:54 ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-04 0:04 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-04 10:01 ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-04 18:06 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-04 19:13 ` Dongli Zhang
2023-10-11 0:20 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-11 7:18 ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-13 18:07 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-13 18:21 ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-13 19:02 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-13 19:12 ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-13 20:03 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-13 20:12 ` Dongli Zhang
2023-10-13 23:26 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-14 9:49 ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-16 15:47 ` Dongli Zhang
2023-10-16 16:25 ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-16 17:04 ` Dongli Zhang
2023-10-16 18:49 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-16 22:04 ` Dongli Zhang
2023-10-16 22:48 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-17 16:18 ` Dongli Zhang
2023-10-03 9:12 ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-04 0:07 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-04 8:06 ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-03 14:29 ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-04 0:10 ` Sean Christopherson
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