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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
To: Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>
Cc: Yi Liu <yi.l.liu@intel.com>,
	joro@8bytes.org, kevin.tian@intel.com, robin.murphy@arm.com,
	baolu.lu@linux.intel.com, cohuck@redhat.com,
	eric.auger@redhat.com, nicolinc@nvidia.com, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	mjrosato@linux.ibm.com, chao.p.peng@linux.intel.com,
	yi.y.sun@linux.intel.com, peterx@redhat.com, jasowang@redhat.com,
	shameerali.kolothum.thodi@huawei.com, lulu@redhat.com,
	suravee.suthikulpanit@amd.com, iommu@lists.linux.dev,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org,
	zhenzhong.duan@intel.com, joao.m.martins@oracle.com,
	xin.zeng@intel.com, yan.y.zhao@intel.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] vfio: Report PASID capability via VFIO_DEVICE_FEATURE ioctl
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2023 14:10:28 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20231211181028.GL2944114@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20231211110345.1b4526c6.alex.williamson@redhat.com>

On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 11:03:45AM -0700, Alex Williamson wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Nov 2023 22:39:09 -0800
> Yi Liu <yi.l.liu@intel.com> wrote:
> 
> > This reports the PASID capability data to userspace via VFIO_DEVICE_FEATURE,
> > hence userspace could probe PASID capability by it. This is a bit different
> > with other capabilities which are reported to userspace when the user reads
> > the device's PCI configuration space. There are two reasons for this.
> > 
> >  - First, Qemu by default exposes all available PCI capabilities in vfio-pci
> >    config space to the guest as read-only, so adding PASID capability in the
> >    vfio-pci config space will make it exposed to the guest automatically while
> >    an old Qemu doesn't really support it.
> 
> Shouldn't we also be working on hiding the PASID capability in QEMU
> ASAP?  This feature only allows QEMU to know PASID control is actually
> available, not the guest.  Maybe we're hoping this is really only used
> by VFs where there's no capability currently exposed to the guest?

Makes sense, yes

> >    the PF). Creating a virtual PASID capability in vfio-pci config space needs
> >    to find a hole to place it, but doing so may require device specific
> >    knowledge to avoid potential conflict with device specific registers like
> >    hiden bits in VF config space. It's simpler by moving this burden to the
> >    VMM instead of maintaining a quirk system in the kernel.
> 
> This feels a bit like an incomplete solution though and we might
> already posses device specific knowledge in the form of a variant
> driver.  Should this feature structure include a flag + field that
> could serve to generically indicate to the VMM a location for
> implementing the PASID capability?  The default core implementation
> might fill this only for PFs where clearly an emualted PASID capability
> can overlap the physical capability.  Thanks,

In many ways I would perfer to solve this for good by having a way to
learn a range of available config space - I liked the suggestion to
use a DVSEC to mark empty space.

Jason

  reply	other threads:[~2023-12-11 18:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-11-27  6:39 [PATCH 0/3] vfio-pci support pasid attach/detach Yi Liu
2023-11-27  6:39 ` [PATCH 1/3] vfio-iommufd: Support pasid [at|de]tach for physical VFIO devices Yi Liu
2024-01-15 17:18   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-11-27  6:39 ` [PATCH 2/3] vfio: Add VFIO_DEVICE_PASID_[AT|DE]TACH_IOMMUFD_PT Yi Liu
2023-11-27  6:50   ` Duan, Zhenzhong
2023-11-28  3:06     ` Yi Liu
2023-12-11 17:05   ` Alex Williamson
2023-12-12  3:02     ` Yi Liu
2023-11-27  6:39 ` [PATCH 3/3] vfio: Report PASID capability via VFIO_DEVICE_FEATURE ioctl Yi Liu
2023-11-27  7:28   ` Duan, Zhenzhong
2023-11-28  3:11     ` Yi Liu
2023-11-28  4:23       ` Duan, Zhenzhong
2023-12-07  8:47   ` Tian, Kevin
2023-12-11  8:08     ` Yi Liu
2023-12-12  2:20       ` Tian, Kevin
2023-12-12  3:26         ` Yi Liu
2023-12-12 15:31         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-12-13  1:59           ` Tian, Kevin
2023-12-11 18:03   ` Alex Williamson
2023-12-11 18:10     ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2023-12-11 18:49       ` Alex Williamson
2023-12-12 15:35         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-12-13  2:10           ` Tian, Kevin
2024-01-15  9:49           ` Yi Liu
2023-12-12  2:16     ` Tian, Kevin
2023-12-12  3:44       ` Yi Liu
2023-12-12  2:43     ` Duan, Zhenzhong
2023-12-12  3:39       ` Alex Williamson
2023-12-12  3:53         ` Yi Liu
2023-12-12 15:27         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-01-15  8:20           ` Yi Liu

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