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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
To: Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>
Cc: Yishai Hadas <yishaih@nvidia.com>,
	mst@redhat.com, jasowang@redhat.com, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org, parav@nvidia.com,
	feliu@nvidia.com, kevin.tian@intel.com,
	joao.m.martins@oracle.com, leonro@nvidia.com, maorg@nvidia.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH vfio 0/7] Enhances the vfio-virtio driver to support live migration
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2024 13:23:54 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20241028162354.GS6956@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20241028101348.37727579.alex.williamson@redhat.com>

On Mon, Oct 28, 2024 at 10:13:48AM -0600, Alex Williamson wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Oct 2024 12:07:44 +0200
> Yishai Hadas <yishaih@nvidia.com> wrote:
> > 
> > - According to the Virtio specification, a device has only two states:
> >   RUNNING and STOPPED. Consequently, certain VFIO transitions (e.g.,
> >   RUNNING_P2P->STOP, STOP->RUNNING_P2P) are treated as no-ops. When
> >   transitioning to RUNNING_P2P, the device state is set to STOP and
> >   remains STOPPED until it transitions back from RUNNING_P2P->RUNNING, at
> >   which point it resumes its RUNNING state.
> 
> Does this assume the virtio device is not a DMA target for another
> device?  If so, how can we make such an assumption?  Otherwise, what
> happens on a DMA write to the stopped virtio device?

I was told the virtio spec says that during VFIO STOP it only stops
doing outgoing DMA, it still must accept incoming operations.

It was a point of debate if the additional step (stop everything vs
stop outgoing only) was necessary and the virtio folks felt that stop
outgoing was good enough.

> If the virtio spec doesn't support partial contexts, what makes it
> beneficial here?  

It stil lets the receiver 'warm up', like allocating memory and
approximately sizing things.

> If it is beneficial, why is it beneficial to send initial data more than
> once?  

I guess because it is allowed to change and the benefit is highest
when the pre copy data closely matches the final data..

Rate limiting does seem better to me

Jason

  reply	other threads:[~2024-10-28 16:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-10-27 10:07 [PATCH vfio 0/7] Enhances the vfio-virtio driver to support live migration Yishai Hadas
2024-10-27 10:07 ` [PATCH vfio 1/7] virtio_pci: Introduce device parts access commands Yishai Hadas
2024-10-27 10:07 ` [PATCH vfio 2/7] virtio: Extend the admin command to include the result size Yishai Hadas
2024-10-27 10:07 ` [PATCH vfio 3/7] virtio: Manage device and driver capabilities via the admin commands Yishai Hadas
2024-10-27 10:07 ` [PATCH vfio 4/7] virtio-pci: Introduce APIs to execute device parts " Yishai Hadas
2024-10-27 10:07 ` [PATCH vfio 5/7] vfio/virtio: Add support for the basic live migration functionality Yishai Hadas
2024-10-27 10:07 ` [PATCH vfio 6/7] vfio/virtio: Add PRE_COPY support for live migration Yishai Hadas
2024-10-27 10:07 ` [PATCH vfio 7/7] vfio/virtio: Enable live migration once VIRTIO_PCI was configured Yishai Hadas
2024-10-28 16:13 ` [PATCH vfio 0/7] Enhances the vfio-virtio driver to support live migration Alex Williamson
2024-10-28 16:23   ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2024-10-28 16:54     ` Alex Williamson
2024-10-28 17:46       ` Parav Pandit
2024-10-29 20:28         ` Alex Williamson
2024-10-31 15:04           ` Parav Pandit
2024-11-01 16:25             ` Alex Williamson
2024-11-03 14:38               ` Parav Pandit
2024-10-29 11:59     ` Yishai Hadas
2024-10-28 18:17 ` Alex Williamson
2024-10-29  8:43   ` Yishai Hadas

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