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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>
Cc: Maxim Levitsky <mlevitsk@redhat.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 2/5] arm64: KVM: use mutex_trylock_nest_lock when locking all vCPUs
Date: Thu, 1 May 2025 15:41:26 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250501134126.GT4439@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <861pt8ijpv.wl-maz@kernel.org>

On Thu, May 01, 2025 at 01:44:28PM +0100, Marc Zyngier wrote:
> On Thu, 01 May 2025 12:15:52 +0100,
> Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
> > 
> > > > + */
> > > > +int kvm_trylock_all_vcpus(struct kvm *kvm)
> > > > +{
> > > > +	struct kvm_vcpu *vcpu;
> > > > +	unsigned long i, j;
> > > > +
> > > > +	kvm_for_each_vcpu(i, vcpu, kvm)
> > > > +		if (!mutex_trylock_nest_lock(&vcpu->mutex, &kvm->lock))
> > 
> > This one includes an assertion that kvm->lock is actually held.
> 
> Ah, cunning. Thanks.
> 
> > That said, I'm not at all sure what the purpose of all this trylock
> > stuff is here.
> > 
> > Can someone explain? Last time I asked someone said something about
> > multiple VMs, but I don't know enough about kvm to know what that means.
> 
> Multiple VMs? That'd be real fun. Not.
> 
> > Are those vcpu->mutex another class for other VMs? Or what gives?
> 
> Nah. This is firmly single VM.
> 
> The purpose of this contraption is that there are some rare cases
> where we need to make sure that if we update some global state, all
> the vcpus of a VM need to see, or none of them.
> 
> For these cases, the guarantee comes from luserspace, and it gives the
> pinky promise that none of the vcpus are running at that point. But
> being of a suspicious nature, we assert that this is true by trying to
> take all the vcpu mutexes in one go. This will fail if a vcpu is
> running, as KVM itself takes the vcpu mutex before doing anything.
> 
> Similar requirement exists if we need to synthesise some state for
> userspace from all the individual vcpu states.

Ah, okay. Because x86 is simply doing mutex_lock() instead of
mutex_trylock() -- which would end up waiting for this activity to
subside I suppose.

Hence the use of the killable variant I suppose, for when they get tired
of waiting.

If all the architectures are basically doing the same thing, it might
make sense to unify this particular behaviour. But what do I know.



  reply	other threads:[~2025-05-01 13:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-04-30 20:30 [PATCH v4 0/5] KVM: lockdep improvements Maxim Levitsky
2025-04-30 20:30 ` [PATCH v4 1/5] locking/mutex: implement mutex_trylock_nested Maxim Levitsky
2025-04-30 20:30 ` [PATCH v4 2/5] arm64: KVM: use mutex_trylock_nest_lock when locking all vCPUs Maxim Levitsky
2025-05-01  8:24   ` Marc Zyngier
2025-05-01 11:15     ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-05-01 12:44       ` Marc Zyngier
2025-05-01 13:41         ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2025-05-01 13:55           ` Marc Zyngier
2025-05-02 20:58     ` Sean Christopherson
2025-04-30 20:30 ` [PATCH v4 3/5] RISC-V: KVM: switch to kvm_trylock/unlock_all_vcpus Maxim Levitsky
2025-04-30 20:30 ` [PATCH v4 4/5] locking/mutex: implement mutex_lock_killable_nest_lock Maxim Levitsky
2025-04-30 20:30 ` [PATCH v4 5/5] x86: KVM: SEV: implement kvm_lock_all_vcpus and use it Maxim Levitsky
2025-05-02 20:57   ` Sean Christopherson
2025-05-03 10:08     ` Peter Zijlstra

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