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From: Pawan Gupta <pawan.kumar.gupta@linux.intel.com>
To: Jim Mattson <jmattson@google.com>
Cc: x86@kernel.org, David Kaplan <david.kaplan@amd.com>,
	Nikolay Borisov <nik.borisov@suse.com>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@kernel.org>,
	Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	Asit Mallick <asit.k.mallick@intel.com>,
	Tao Zhang <tao1.zhang@intel.com>,
	David Dunn <daviddunn@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 04/11] x86/bhi: Make clear_bhb_loop() effective on newer CPUs
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2026 14:32:25 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260306223225.l2beapz3nvmqefou@desk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALMp9eQNBZsJNdfCVwbJ4v1DgCNqRV3DVcEeCPFt=dd29+qy-A@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Mar 06, 2026 at 01:00:15PM -0800, Jim Mattson wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 19, 2025 at 10:19 PM Pawan Gupta
> <pawan.kumar.gupta@linux.intel.com> wrote:
> >
> > As a mitigation for BHI, clear_bhb_loop() executes branches that overwrites
> > the Branch History Buffer (BHB). On Alder Lake and newer parts this
> > sequence is not sufficient because it doesn't clear enough entries. This
> > was not an issue because these CPUs have a hardware control (BHI_DIS_S)
> > that mitigates BHI in kernel.
> >
> > BHI variant of VMSCAPE requires isolating branch history between guests and
> > userspace. Note that there is no equivalent hardware control for userspace.
> > To effectively isolate branch history on newer CPUs, clear_bhb_loop()
> > should execute sufficient number of branches to clear a larger BHB.
> >
> > Dynamically set the loop count of clear_bhb_loop() such that it is
> > effective on newer CPUs too. Use the hardware control enumeration
> > X86_FEATURE_BHI_CTRL to select the appropriate loop count.
> 
> I didn't speak up earlier, because I have always considered the change
> in MAXPHYADDR from ICX to SPR a hard barrier for virtual machines
> masquerading as a different platform. Sadly, I am now losing that
> battle. :(
> 
> If a heterogeneous migration pool includes hosts with and without
> BHI_CTRL, then BHI_CTRL cannot be advertised to a guest, because it is
> not possible to emulate BHI_DIS_S on a host that doesn't have it.
> Hence, one cannot derive the size of the BHB from the existence of
> this feature bit.

As far as VMSCAPE mitigation is concerned, mitigation is done by the host
so enumeration of BHI_CTRL is not a problem. The issue that you are
refering to exists with or without this patch.

I suppose your point is in the context of Native BHI mitigation for the
guests.

> I think we need an explicit CPUID bit that a hypervisor can set to
> indicate that the underlying hardware might be SPR or later.

Something similar was attempted via virtual-MSRs in the below series:

[RFC PATCH v3 09/10] KVM: VMX: Advertise MITI_CTRL_BHB_CLEAR_SEQ_S_SUPPORT
https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20240410143446.797262-10-chao.gao@intel.com/

Do you think a rework of this approach would help?

  reply	other threads:[~2026-03-06 22:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-11-20  6:17 [PATCH v4 00/11] VMSCAPE optimization for BHI variant Pawan Gupta
2025-11-20  6:17 ` [PATCH v4 01/11] x86/bhi: x86/vmscape: Move LFENCE out of clear_bhb_loop() Pawan Gupta
2025-11-20 16:15   ` Nikolay Borisov
2025-11-20 16:56     ` Pawan Gupta
2025-11-20 16:58       ` Nikolay Borisov
2025-11-20  6:18 ` [PATCH v4 02/11] x86/bhi: Move the BHB sequence to a macro for reuse Pawan Gupta
2025-11-20 16:28   ` Nikolay Borisov
2025-11-20 16:57     ` Pawan Gupta
2025-11-25  0:21   ` Pawan Gupta
2025-11-20  6:18 ` [PATCH v4 03/11] x86/bhi: Make the depth of BHB-clearing configurable Pawan Gupta
2025-11-20 17:02   ` Nikolay Borisov
2025-11-20  6:18 ` [PATCH v4 04/11] x86/bhi: Make clear_bhb_loop() effective on newer CPUs Pawan Gupta
2025-11-21 12:33   ` Nikolay Borisov
2025-11-21 16:40   ` Dave Hansen
2025-11-21 16:45     ` Nikolay Borisov
2025-11-21 16:50       ` Dave Hansen
2025-11-21 18:16         ` Pawan Gupta
2025-11-21 18:42           ` Dave Hansen
2025-11-21 21:26             ` Pawan Gupta
2025-11-21 21:36               ` Dave Hansen
2025-11-24 19:21                 ` Pawan Gupta
2025-11-22 11:05               ` david laight
2025-11-24 19:31                 ` Pawan Gupta
2025-11-25 11:34                   ` david laight
2025-12-04  1:40                     ` Pawan Gupta
2025-12-04  9:15                       ` david laight
2025-12-04 21:56                         ` Pawan Gupta
2025-12-05  9:21                           ` david laight
2025-11-26 19:23     ` Pawan Gupta
2026-03-06 21:00   ` Jim Mattson
2026-03-06 22:32     ` Pawan Gupta [this message]
2026-03-06 22:57       ` Jim Mattson
2026-03-06 23:29         ` Pawan Gupta
2026-03-07  0:35           ` Jim Mattson
2026-03-07  1:00             ` Pawan Gupta
2026-03-07  1:10               ` Jim Mattson
2026-03-07  2:41                 ` Pawan Gupta
2026-03-07  5:05                   ` Jim Mattson
2026-03-09 22:29                     ` Pawan Gupta
2026-03-09 23:05                       ` Jim Mattson
2026-03-10  0:00                         ` Pawan Gupta
2026-03-10  0:08                           ` Jim Mattson
2026-03-10  0:52                             ` Pawan Gupta
2025-11-20  6:18 ` [PATCH v4 05/11] x86/vmscape: Rename x86_ibpb_exit_to_user to x86_predictor_flush_exit_to_user Pawan Gupta
2025-11-20  6:19 ` [PATCH v4 06/11] x86/vmscape: Move mitigation selection to a switch() Pawan Gupta
2025-11-21 14:27   ` Nikolay Borisov
2025-11-24 23:09     ` Pawan Gupta
2025-11-25 10:19       ` Nikolay Borisov
2025-11-25 17:45         ` Pawan Gupta
2025-11-20  6:19 ` [PATCH v4 07/11] x86/vmscape: Use write_ibpb() instead of indirect_branch_prediction_barrier() Pawan Gupta
2025-11-21 12:59   ` Nikolay Borisov
2025-11-20  6:19 ` [PATCH v4 08/11] x86/vmscape: Use static_call() for predictor flush Pawan Gupta
2025-11-20  6:19 ` [PATCH v4 09/11] x86/vmscape: Deploy BHB clearing mitigation Pawan Gupta
2025-11-21 14:18   ` Nikolay Borisov
2025-11-21 18:29     ` Pawan Gupta
2025-11-21 14:23   ` Nikolay Borisov
2025-11-21 18:41     ` Pawan Gupta
2025-11-21 18:53       ` Nikolay Borisov
2025-11-21 21:29         ` Pawan Gupta
2025-11-20  6:20 ` [PATCH v4 10/11] x86/vmscape: Override conflicting attack-vector controls with =force Pawan Gupta
2025-11-21 18:04   ` Nikolay Borisov
2025-11-20  6:20 ` [PATCH v4 11/11] x86/vmscape: Add cmdline vmscape=on to override attack vector controls Pawan Gupta
2025-11-25 11:41   ` Nikolay Borisov

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