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[159.2.239.150]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 71dfb90a1353d-5ecb6d79d9fsm2610604e0c.7.2026.11.05.12.07.36 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 05 Nov 2026 12:07:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from jgg by wakko with local (Exim 4.97) (envelope-from ) id 1xP3kF-00000003dYX-3Q5c; Thu, 05 Nov 2026 16:07:35 -0400 Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2026 16:07:35 -0400 From: Jason Gunthorpe To: Nicolin Chen Cc: "Aneesh Kumar K.V" , iommu@lists.linux.dev, Alex Williamson , Alexey Kardashevskiy , Bjorn Helgaas , Catalin Marinas , Jacob Pan , Joerg Roedel , Jonathan Cameron , Jonathan Hunter , Kevin Tian , Krishna Reddy , Lukas Wunner , Robin Murphy , Samuel Ortiz , Shameer Kolothum , Steven Price , Suravee Suthikulpanit , Suzuki K Poulose , Thierry Reding , Vasant Hegde , Will Deacon , Xu Yilun , kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, linux-coco@lists.linux.dev, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-pci@vger.kernel.org, linux-tegra@vger.kernel.org, Jonathan Corbet , Shuah Khan , Randy Dunlap Subject: Re: [PATCH v8 13/15] iommufd/viommu: Allow vIOMMUs without a parent HWPT Message-ID: <20261105200735.GF663069@ziepe.ca> References: <20261104161632.3547423-1-aneesh.kumar@kernel.org> <20261104161632.3547423-14-aneesh.kumar@kernel.org> <20261104193139.GB3889730@ziepe.ca> <20261105182106.GD663069@ziepe.ca> X-Mailing-List: kvm@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Owner: Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: On Thu, Nov 05, 2026 at 10:40:16AM -0800, Nicolin Chen wrote: > On Thu, Nov 05, 2026 at 02:21:06PM -0400, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 05, 2026 at 09:44:42AM -0800, Nicolin Chen wrote: > > > On Thu, Nov 05, 2026 at 10:58:06AM +0530, Aneesh Kumar K.V wrote: > > > > Jason Gunthorpe writes: > > > > > On Wed, Nov 04, 2026 at 11:03:41AM -0800, Nicolin Chen wrote: > > > > >> By dropping the nesting parent from VIOMMU, it just simplifies the > > > > >> attachment to an S1 paging hwpt, right? > > > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > > > The VMM must always maintain a S1 paging attachment that is the > > > > > identity map of the VM on all devices, same action as when there is no > > > > > viommu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am currently creating an S2 paging attachment. This results in a > > > > configuration with S1 disabled and S2 enabled, which is used by all > > > > untrusted devices. > > > > > > For validation, that would work. Yet "no viommu" should would be S1 > > > paging, i.e. hwpt allocated without IOMMU_HWPT_ALLOC_NEST_PARENT. > > > > It doesn't matter, consistently using a single S2 for everything is > > probably better.. > > Hmm, I am confused: if we use a nesting parent, why do we need to > allow a viommu without a parent HWPT here? It is because it doesn't *use* it. It is a confusing to pass in a hwpt that is never used for anything. Jason