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From: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
To: paul@xen.org, qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Cc: "Kevin Wolf" <kwolf@redhat.com>,
	"Hanna Reitz" <hreitz@redhat.com>,
	"Stefano Stabellini" <sstabellini@kernel.org>,
	"Anthony Perard" <anthony.perard@citrix.com>,
	"Marc-André Lureau" <marcandre.lureau@redhat.com>,
	"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	"Marcel Apfelbaum" <marcel.apfelbaum@gmail.com>,
	"Richard Henderson" <richard.henderson@linaro.org>,
	"Eduardo Habkost" <eduardo@habkost.net>,
	"Marcelo Tosatti" <mtosatti@redhat.com>,
	qemu-block@nongnu.org, xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 12/12] hw/xen: add support for Xen primary console in emulated mode
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2023 10:00:08 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <31b160a3f3ce2eda057dafec3cab273a38f1dc0f.camel@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <684d378d-9c71-4a5f-8f0c-3ed6ffc20a70@xen.org>

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On Wed, 2023-10-25 at 09:31 +0100, Paul Durrant wrote:
> On 24/10/2023 17:34, David Woodhouse wrote:
> > On Tue, 2023-10-24 at 17:25 +0100, Paul Durrant wrote:
> > > On 24/10/2023 16:49, David Woodhouse wrote:
> > > > On Tue, 2023-10-24 at 16:39 +0100, Paul Durrant wrote:
> > > > > On 24/10/2023 16:37, David Woodhouse wrote:
> > > > > > On Tue, 2023-10-24 at 15:20 +0100, Paul Durrant wrote:
> > > > > > > On 16/10/2023 16:19, David Woodhouse wrote:
> > > > > > > > From: David Woodhouse <dwmw@amazon.co.uk>
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > The primary console is special because the toolstack maps a page at a
> > > > > > > > fixed GFN and also allocates the guest-side event channel. Add support
> > > > > > > > for that in emulated mode, so that we can have a primary console.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Add a *very* rudimentary stub of foriegnmem ops for emulated mode, which
> > > > > > > > supports literally nothing except a single-page mapping of the console
> > > > > > > > page. This might as well have been a hack in the xen_console driver, but
> > > > > > > > this way at least the special-casing is kept within the Xen emulation
> > > > > > > > code, and it gives us a hook for a more complete implementation if/when
> > > > > > > > we ever do need one.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Why can't you map the console page via the grant table like the xenstore
> > > > > > > page?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I suppose we could, but I didn't really want the generic xen-console
> > > > > > device code having any more of a special case for 'Xen emulation' than
> > > > > > it does already by having to call xen_primary_console_create().
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > But doesn't is save you the whole foreignmem thing? You can use the
> > > > > grant table for primary and secondary consoles.
> > > > 
> > > > Yes. And I could leave the existing foreignmem thing just for the case
> > > > of primary console under true Xen. It's probably not that awful a
> > > > special case, in the end.
> > > > 
> > > > Then again, I was surprised I didn't *already* have a foreignmem ops
> > > > for the emulated case, and we're probably going to want to continue
> > > > fleshing it out later, so I don't really mind adding it.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > True. We'll need it for some of the other more fun protocols like vkbd
> > > or fb. Still, I think it'd be nicer to align the xenstore and primary
> > > console code to look similar and punt the work until then :-)
> > 
> > I don't think it ends up looking like xenstore either way, does it?
> > Xenstore is special because it gets to use the original pointer to its
> > own page.
> > 
> 
> Not sure what you mean there? A guest can query the PFN for either 
> xenstore or console using HVM params, or it can find them in its own 
> grant table entries 0 or 1.

The code in our xen_xenstore.c uses its *own* pointer (s->xs) to the
MemoryRegion that it created (s->xenstore_page). It is its own backend,
as well as doing the "magic" to create the guest-side mapping and event
channel.

The difference for the console code is that we actually have a
*separation* between the standard backend code in xen_console.c, and
the magic frontend parts for the emulated mode.


> 
> > I don't think I want to hack the xen_console code to explicitly call a
> > xen_console_give_me_your_page() function. If not foreignmem, I think
> > you were suggesting that we actually call the grant mapping code to get
> > a pointer to the underlying page, right?
> 
> I'm suggesting that the page be mapped in the same way that the xenstore 
> backend does:
> 
> 1462    /* 
> 
> 1463     * We don't actually access the guest's page through the grant, because
> 1464     * this isn't real Xen, and we can just use the page we gave it in the
> 1465     * first place. Map the grant anyway, mostly for cosmetic purposes so
> 1466     * it *looks* like it's in use in the guest-visible grant table. 
> 1467     */
> 1468    s->gt = qemu_xen_gnttab_open();
> 1469    uint32_t xs_gntref = GNTTAB_RESERVED_XENSTORE;
> 1470    s->granted_xs = qemu_xen_gnttab_map_refs(s->gt, 1, xen_domid, &xs_gntref,
> 1471                                             PROT_READ | PROT_WRITE);

It already *is*. But as with xen_xenstore.c, nothing ever *uses* the
s->granted_xs pointer. It's just cosmetic to make the grant table look
right.

But that doesn't help the *backend* code. The backend doesn't even know
the grant ref#, because the convention we inherited from Xen is that
the `ring-ref` in XenStore for the primary console is actually the MFN,
to be mapped as foreignmem.

Of course, we *do* know the grant-ref for the primary console, as it's
always GNTTAB_RESERVED_CONSOLE. So I suppose we could put a hack into
the xen_console backend to map *that* in the case of primary console
under emu? In fact that would probably do the right thing even under
Xen if we could persuade Xen to make an ioemu primary console?





> > 
> > I could kind of live with that... except that Xen has this ugly
> > convention that the "ring-ref" frontend node for the primary console
> > actually has the *MFN* not a grant ref. Which I don't understand since
> > the toolstack *does* populate the grant table for it (just as it does
> > for the xenstore page). But we'd have to add a special case exception
> > to that special case, so that in the emu case it's an actual grant ref
> > again. I think I prefer just having a stub of foreignmem, TBH.
> > 
> 
> You're worried about the guest changing the page it uses for the primary 
> console and putting a new one in xenstore? I'd be amazed if that even
> works on Xen unless the guest is careful to write it into 
> GNTTAB_RESERVED_CONSOLE.

Not worried about the guest changing it. I was mostly just concerned
about the xen-console having to have another special case and magically
"know" it. But I suppose I can live with it being hard-coded to
GNTTAB_RESERVED_CONSOLE. I'll knock that up and see how it makes me
feel.

I'm reworking some of that connect/disconnect code anyway, to have the
backend tell the primary_console code directly what the backend port#
is, so I can remove the soft-reset hacks in xen_evtchn.c entirely.

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  reply	other threads:[~2023-10-25  9:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-10-16 15:18 [PATCH 0/12] Get Xen PV shim running in qemu David Woodhouse
2023-10-16 15:18 ` [PATCH 01/12] i386/xen: fix per-vCPU upcall vector for Xen emulation David Woodhouse
2023-10-24 12:16   ` Paul Durrant
2023-10-24 12:58     ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-16 15:18 ` [PATCH 02/12] hw/xen: select kernel mode for per-vCPU event channel upcall vector David Woodhouse
2023-10-24 12:29   ` Paul Durrant
2023-10-24 13:20     ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-16 15:19 ` [PATCH 03/12] include: update Xen public headers to Xen 4.17.2 release David Woodhouse
2023-10-24 12:30   ` Paul Durrant
2023-10-16 15:19 ` [PATCH 04/12] i386/xen: advertise XEN_HVM_CPUID_UPCALL_VECTOR in CPUID David Woodhouse
2023-10-24 12:32   ` Paul Durrant
2023-10-16 15:19 ` [PATCH 05/12] hw/xen: populate store frontend nodes with XenStore PFN/port David Woodhouse
2023-10-24 12:35   ` Paul Durrant
2023-10-24 12:53     ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-16 15:19 ` [PATCH 06/12] hw/xen: add get_frontend_path() method to XenDeviceClass David Woodhouse
2023-10-24 12:42   ` Paul Durrant
2023-10-24 12:56     ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-24 12:59       ` Paul Durrant
2023-10-24 13:29         ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-24 13:37           ` Paul Durrant
2023-10-25  8:30             ` David Woodhouse
2023-11-21 12:25           ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-16 15:19 ` [PATCH 07/12] hw/xen: update Xen console to XenDevice model David Woodhouse
2023-10-24 13:07   ` Paul Durrant
2023-10-16 15:19 ` [PATCH 08/12] hw/xen: do not repeatedly try to create a failing backend device David Woodhouse
2023-10-24 13:19   ` Paul Durrant
2023-10-16 15:19 ` [PATCH 09/12] hw/xen: prevent duplicate device registrations David Woodhouse
2023-10-24 14:10   ` Paul Durrant
2023-10-24 14:38     ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-16 15:19 ` [PATCH 10/12] hw/xen: automatically assign device index to console devices David Woodhouse
2023-10-16 15:19 ` [PATCH 11/12] hw/xen: automatically assign device index to block devices David Woodhouse
2023-10-17 10:21   ` Kevin Wolf
2023-10-17 18:02     ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-18  7:32   ` Igor Mammedov
2023-10-18  8:32     ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-23  9:30       ` Igor Mammedov
2023-10-23  9:42         ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-23 13:45         ` Kevin Wolf
2023-10-18  8:52   ` Kevin Wolf
2023-10-18 10:52     ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-19 11:21       ` Kevin Wolf
2023-10-20 17:47       ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-18 23:13     ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-16 15:19 ` [PATCH 12/12] hw/xen: add support for Xen primary console in emulated mode David Woodhouse
2023-10-24 14:20   ` Paul Durrant
2023-10-24 15:37     ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-24 15:39       ` Paul Durrant
2023-10-24 15:49         ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-24 16:25           ` Paul Durrant
2023-10-24 16:34             ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-25  8:31               ` Paul Durrant
2023-10-25  9:00                 ` David Woodhouse [this message]
2023-10-25 10:44                   ` Paul Durrant
2023-10-24 15:24 ` [PATCH 0/12] Get Xen PV shim running in qemu Alex Bennée
2023-10-24 16:11   ` David Woodhouse

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