From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Daniel Verkamp <dverkamp@chromium.org>
Cc: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
Halil Pasic <pasic@linux.ibm.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-s390@vger.kernel.org,
virtualization@lists.linux.dev, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
Chandra Merla <cmerla@redhat.com>,
Stable@vger.kernel.org, Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>,
Thomas Huth <thuth@redhat.com>,
Eric Farman <farman@linux.ibm.com>,
Heiko Carstens <hca@linux.ibm.com>,
Vasily Gorbik <gor@linux.ibm.com>,
Alexander Gordeev <agordeev@linux.ibm.com>,
Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@linux.ibm.com>,
Sven Schnelle <svens@linux.ibm.com>,
Wei Wang <wei.w.wang@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1] s390/virtio_ccw: don't allocate/assign airqs for non-existing queues
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2025 20:47:05 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3bbad51d-d7d8-46f7-a28c-11cc3af6ef76@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CABVzXAmMEsw70Tftg4ZNi0G4d8j9pGTyrNqOFMjzHwEpy0JqyA@mail.gmail.com>
>>> Heh, but that one said:
>>>
>>> +\item[ VIRTIO_BALLOON_F_WS_REPORTING(6) ] The device has support for
>>> Working Set
>>>
>>> Which does not seem to reflect reality ...
>
> Please feel free to disregard these features and reuse their bits and
> queue indexes; as far as I know, they are not actually enabled
> anywhere currently and the corresponding guest patches were only
> applied to some (no-longer-used) ChromeOS kernel trees, so the
> compatibility impact should be minimal. I will also try to clean up
> the leftover bits on the crosvm side just to clear things up.
Thanks for your reply, and thanks for clarifying+cleaning it up.
>
>> I dug a bit more into cross-vm, because that one seems to be the only
>> one out there that does not behave like everybody else I found (maybe good,
>> maybe bad :) ).
>>
>>
>> 1) There was temporarily even another feature (VIRTIO_BALLOON_F_EVENTS_VQ)
>> and another queue.
>>
>> It got removed from cross-vm in:
>>
>> commit 9ba634b82b55ba762dc8724676b2cf9419460145
>> Author: Daniel Verkamp <dverkamp@chromium.org>
>> Date: Thu Jul 11 11:29:52 2024 -0700
>>
>> devices: virtio-balloon: remove event queue support
>>
>> VIRTIO_BALLOON_F_EVENTS_VQ was part of a proposed virtio spec change.
>>
>> It is not currently supported by upstream Linux, so removing this should
>> have no effect except for guest kernels that had CHROMIUM patches
>> applied.
>>
>> The virtqueue indexes for the ws-related queues are decremented to fill
>> the hole left by the removal of the event VQ; these are non-standard as
>> well, so they do not have virtqueue indexes assigned in the virtio spec,
>> but the proposed spec extension did actually use vq indexes 5 and 6.
>>
>> BUG=b:214864326
>>
>>
>> 2) cross-vm is aware of the upstream Linux driver
>>
>> They thought your fix would go upstream; it didn't.
>>
>> commit a2fa119e759d0238a42ff15a9aff0dfd122afebd
>> Author: Daniel Verkamp <dverkamp@chromium.org>
>> Date: Wed Jul 10 16:16:28 2024 -0700
>>
>> devices: virtio-balloon: warn about queue index mismatches
>>
>> The Linux kernel virtio-balloon driver spec non-compliance related to
>> queue numbering is being fixed; add some diagnostics to our device that
>> help to check if everything is working as expected.
>>
>> <https://lore.kernel.org/virtualization/CACGkMEsg0+vpav1Fo8JF1isq4Ef8t4_CFN1scyztDO8bXzRLBQ@mail.gmail.com/T/>
>>
>> Additionally, replace the num_expected_queues() function with per-queue
>> checking to avoid the need for the duplicate feature checks and queue
>> count calculation; each pop_queue() call will be checked using the `?`
>> operator and return a more useful error message if a particular queue is
>> missing.
>>
>> BUG=None
>> TEST=crosvm run --balloon-page-reporting ...
>>
>>
>> IIRC, in that commit they switched to the "spec" behavior.
>>
>> That's when they started hard-coding the queue indexes.
>>
>> CCing Daniel. All Linux versions should be incompatible with cross-vmm regarding free page reporting.
>> How is that handled?
>
> In practice, it only works because nobody calls crosvm with
> --balloon-page-reporting (it's off by default), so the balloon device
> does not advertise the VIRTIO_BALLOON_F_PAGE_REPORTING feature.
>
> (I just went searching now, and it does seem like there is actually
> one user in Android that does try to enable page reporting[1], which
> I'll have to look into...)
>
> In my opinion, it makes the most sense to keep the spec as it is and
> change QEMU and the kernel to match, but obviously that's not trivial
> to do in a way that doesn't break existing devices and drivers.
If only it would be limited to QEMU and Linux ... :)
Out of curiosity, assuming we'd make the spec match the current
QEMU/Linux implementation at least for the 3 involved features only,
would there be a way to adjust crossvm without any disruption?
I still have the feeling that it will be rather hard to get that all
implementations match the spec ... For new features+queues it will be
easy to force the usage of fixed virtqueue numbers, but for
free-page-hinting and reporting, it's a mess :(
--
Cheers,
David / dhildenb
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-04-07 18:47 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-04-02 20:36 [PATCH v1] s390/virtio_ccw: don't allocate/assign airqs for non-existing queues David Hildenbrand
2025-04-03 9:44 ` Thomas Huth
2025-04-03 12:45 ` Cornelia Huck
2025-04-03 12:57 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-03 13:12 ` Christian Borntraeger
2025-04-03 14:18 ` Halil Pasic
2025-04-03 14:28 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-04-04 4:36 ` Halil Pasic
2025-04-04 10:00 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-04-04 10:55 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-04-04 13:36 ` Halil Pasic
2025-04-04 13:48 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-04-04 14:00 ` Halil Pasic
2025-04-04 14:17 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-04-04 15:39 ` Halil Pasic
2025-04-04 16:49 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-04-04 17:36 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-04-07 7:52 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-07 8:17 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-04-07 8:34 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-07 8:44 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-04-07 8:49 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-07 8:54 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-04-07 8:58 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-07 9:11 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-04-07 9:13 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-04-07 13:13 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-04-07 17:39 ` Daniel Verkamp
2025-04-07 18:47 ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2025-04-07 21:09 ` Daniel Verkamp
2025-04-09 11:02 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-04-07 21:20 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-09 10:46 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-04-09 10:56 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-09 11:12 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-04-09 12:07 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-09 12:24 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-04-09 16:08 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-07 9:37 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-07 13:12 ` Halil Pasic
2025-04-07 13:17 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-04-07 13:28 ` Cornelia Huck
2025-04-07 13:32 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-07 17:26 ` Halil Pasic
2025-04-07 8:38 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-04-07 8:44 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-07 8:50 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-04-07 9:22 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-04-07 8:41 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-06 18:42 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-07 7:18 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-04-07 8:54 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-07 9:08 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-04-06 15:40 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-03 14:35 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-04 4:02 ` Halil Pasic
2025-04-04 5:33 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-04 12:05 ` Halil Pasic
2025-04-10 18:44 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-04-11 11:11 ` Christian Borntraeger
2025-04-11 12:42 ` Heiko Carstens
2025-04-11 12:47 ` Christian Borntraeger
2025-04-11 13:34 ` David Hildenbrand
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