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From: Anthony Liguori <anthony-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
To: Dor Laor <dor.laor-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: kvm-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org,
	Avi Kivity <avik-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: QEMU PIC indirection patch for in-kernel APIC work
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 11:43:02 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4613D596.7080201@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <64F9B87B6B770947A9F8391472E032160B318EDB-yEcIvxbTEBqsx+V+t5oei8rau4O3wl8o3fe8/T/H7NteoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>

Dor Laor wrote:
>>>>> This pushes towards in kernel apic too. Can't see how we avoid it.
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>> Does it really?  IIUC, we would avoid TPR traps entirely and would
>>>> just need to synchronize the TPR whenever we go down to userspace.
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> It's a bit more complex than that, as userspace would need to tell
>>>       
> the
>   
>>> kernel the highest priority pending interrupt so that it can program
>>> the hardware to exit when an interrupt is ready.  However I agree
>>> with you that in principle we could split the apic emulation between
>>> kvm and qemu, even with this featurette.
>>>       
>> Most of H/W-virtualization capable processors out there don't support
>> that feature today. I think the decision (kvm or qemu) should be done
>> based on performance data. I'm not worried about maintenance issues;
>>     
> the
>   
>> APIC code is not expected to change frequently. I'm a bit worried about
>> extra complexity caused by such split, though.
>>
>>     
>
> I had an in-kernel-apic implementation for KVM and the performance
> improvement was insignificant. It is mainly a software engineering
> thing.
> PV drivers can benefit from APIC in the kernel but again just a mere
> improvement.
>
>
>   
>> BTW, I see CPU utilization of qemu is almost always 99% in the top
>> command when I run kernel build in an x86-64 Linux guest.
>>     
>
>
> What does qemu do?
>
> Idle guest hardly consume cpu, especially KVM powered.
>   

qemu would be 99% even if all the time is being spent in the guest context.

If the user time is high, an oprofile run would be pretty useful.  I've 
found that the VGA drawing routines can be pretty expensive.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

>> Jun
>> ---
>> Intel Open Source Technology Center
>>     
>
>   


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-04-04 16:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 81+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-04-02 11:46 QEMU PIC indirection patch for in-kernel APIC work Gregory Haskins
     [not found] ` <4610A6A9.BA47.005A.0-Et1tbQHTxzrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-04  6:53   ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]     ` <46134B74.1080004-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-04 14:20       ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]         ` <4613B438.60107-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-04 14:39           ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]             ` <4613B89F.8090806-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-04 14:55               ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                 ` <4613BC6B.1070708-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-04 15:06                   ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                     ` <4613BF07.50606-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-04 15:36                       ` Nakajima, Jun
     [not found]                         ` <8FFF7E42E93CC646B632AB40643802A8025B9580-1a9uaKK1+wJcIJlls4ac1rfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-04 15:47                           ` Dor Laor
     [not found]                             ` <64F9B87B6B770947A9F8391472E032160B318E96-yEcIvxbTEBqsx+V+t5oei8rau4O3wl8o3fe8/T/H7NteoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-04 15:53                               ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                                 ` <4613C9EE.5030600-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-04 16:05                                   ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                                     ` <4613CCD1.2070702-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-04 16:20                                       ` Nakajima, Jun
     [not found]                                         ` <8FFF7E42E93CC646B632AB40643802A8025B962E-1a9uaKK1+wJcIJlls4ac1rfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-04 16:27                                           ` Dor Laor
     [not found]                                             ` <64F9B87B6B770947A9F8391472E032160B318EDB-yEcIvxbTEBqsx+V+t5oei8rau4O3wl8o3fe8/T/H7NteoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-04 16:43                                               ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
     [not found]                                                 ` <4613D596.7080201-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-04 16:54                                                   ` Avi Kivity
2007-04-04 16:32                                           ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                                             ` <4613D30E.7030905-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-04 16:48                                               ` Nakajima, Jun
     [not found]                                                 ` <8FFF7E42E93CC646B632AB40643802A8025B96AA-1a9uaKK1+wJcIJlls4ac1rfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-04 16:58                                                   ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                                                     ` <4613D93A.5020902-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-04 17:09                                                       ` Nakajima, Jun
     [not found]                                                         ` <8FFF7E42E93CC646B632AB40643802A8025B970D-1a9uaKK1+wJcIJlls4ac1rfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-04 21:33                                                           ` Dor Laor
2007-04-04 18:12                                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2007-04-04 15:51                       ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                         ` <4613C993.9020405-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-04 16:02                           ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                             ` <4613CC01.1090500-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-04 16:09                               ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                                 ` <4613CDB2.4000903-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-04 16:19                                   ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                                     ` <4613D001.3040606-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-04 20:01                                       ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]                                         ` <20070404200112.GA6070-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-04 20:24                                           ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                                             ` <4614098F.2030307-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-04 21:21                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-04 23:19                                                 ` [kvm-devel] " Rusty Russell
2007-04-05  7:17                                                   ` Avi Kivity
2007-04-06  1:02                                                     ` Rusty Russell
2007-04-08  5:36                                                       ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                                                         ` <46187F4E.1080807-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-08  9:04                                                           ` Muli Ben-Yehuda
2007-04-09  2:50                                                           ` Rusty Russell
     [not found]                                                             ` <1176087018.11664.65.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-09  7:10                                                               ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                                                                 ` <4619E6DC.3010804-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-09  9:46                                                                   ` Rusty Russell
     [not found]                                                                     ` <1176111984.11664.90.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-09 13:38                                                                       ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                                                                         ` <461A41CA.9080201-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-10  8:07                                                                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-04-10  8:19                                                                             ` [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
     [not found]                                                                               ` <461B48A8.1060904-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-10  8:58                                                                                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-04-10 11:21                                                                                   ` [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
     [not found]                                                                                     ` <461B7334.8090807-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-10 11:50                                                                                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-04-10 12:17                                                                                         ` [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
     [not found]                                                                                           ` <461B8069.6070007-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-10 12:30                                                                                             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
     [not found]                                                                                               ` <20070410123034.GA11493-9fLWQ3dKdXwox3rIn2DAYQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-10 12:49                                                                                                 ` Avi Kivity
2007-04-11  3:53                                                                         ` [kvm-devel] " Rusty Russell
     [not found]                                                                           ` <1176263593.26372.84.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-11  4:26                                                                             ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                                                                               ` <461C6360.1060908-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-11 13:23                                                                                 ` Rusty Russell
     [not found]                                                                                   ` <1176297794.14322.72.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-11 14:28                                                                                     ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                                                                                       ` <461CF098.3090003-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-11 23:30                                                                                         ` Rusty Russell
     [not found]                                                                                           ` <1176334200.14322.133.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-12  3:32                                                                                             ` Avi Kivity
2007-04-16  0:22                                                                                               ` [kvm-devel] " Rusty Russell
2007-04-16  5:13                                                                                                 ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                                                   ` <1175728768.12230.593.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-05  9:30                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]                                                       ` <20070405093033.GC25448-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-05  9:58                                                         ` Avi Kivity
2007-04-05 10:26                                                           ` [kvm-devel] " Ingo Molnar
2007-04-05 11:26                                                             ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                                                               ` <4614DCE1.70905-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-05 11:36                                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-06  1:16                                                                   ` [kvm-devel] " Rusty Russell
2007-04-06 18:59                                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-05 10:55                                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-05 14:32                                                       ` [kvm-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2007-04-06 10:37                                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-06 11:07                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-04 22:07                                               ` Dor Laor
2007-04-05  6:54                                               ` Avi Kivity
2007-04-05  6:40                                           ` Avi Kivity
2007-04-04 16:23                                   ` Dor Laor
     [not found]                                     ` <64F9B87B6B770947A9F8391472E032160B318ED4-yEcIvxbTEBqsx+V+t5oei8rau4O3wl8o3fe8/T/H7NteoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-04 16:48                                       ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                                         ` <4613D6CD.6060209-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-04 20:07                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-05 13:50                                       ` Dong, Eddie
     [not found]                                         ` <0E6FE5D295DE5B4B8D9070C26A227987E0D1EC-wq7ZOvIWXbNpB2pF5aRoyrfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-05 13:59                                           ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                                             ` <461500B5.4080102-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-05 14:52                                               ` Dong, Eddie
     [not found]                                                 ` <0E6FE5D295DE5B4B8D9070C26A227987F2444B-wq7ZOvIWXbNpB2pF5aRoyrfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-05 15:01                                                   ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                                                     ` <46150F4F.4030505-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-05 15:16                                                       ` Dong, Eddie
     [not found]                                                         ` <0E6FE5D295DE5B4B8D9070C26A227987F24452-wq7ZOvIWXbNpB2pF5aRoyrfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-05 15:26                                                           ` Anthony Liguori
2007-04-05 15:22                                                       ` Anthony Liguori
2007-04-05 14:41                                           ` Dor Laor
     [not found]                                             ` <64F9B87B6B770947A9F8391472E032160B319509-yEcIvxbTEBqsx+V+t5oei8rau4O3wl8o3fe8/T/H7NteoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-05 14:48                                               ` Dong, Eddie
2007-04-05 14:57                                               ` Dong, Eddie
2007-04-04 17:51           ` Gregory Haskins
     [not found]             ` <46139F39.BA47.005A.0-Et1tbQHTxzrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-04 18:19               ` Anthony Liguori

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