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From: Anthony Liguori <aliguori-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: Arjan van de Ven <arjan-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
Cc: kvm-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: paravirtual drivers?
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 12:42:10 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <461E6F72.2040805@us.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1176394563.3417.7.camel-NIQFrBLA1CpScpXdPBN83iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org>

Arjan van de Ven wrote:
> On Thu, 2007-04-12 at 10:05 -0500, Anthony Liguori wrote:
>   
>> Why not drive the backend from userspace? 
>>     
>
> (nothing in the concept requires it to be in the kernel, it just makes
> things a lot easier)
>
> Because I think the trend forward is to reduce the userspace dependency
> of kvm, not increase it.

There's no increase in dependency since block IO is already done in 
userspace.  Besides, I think the general Linux trend of moving things to 
userspace when there's no compelling reason to have them in kernel space 
trumps all other trends ;-)

>  And because you add context switches etc etc
>   

There's no context switch just a privilege transition.  Granted, 
privilege transitions aren't free but they're aren't that much compared 
to the cost of processing an IO request.

>>  Are you using a ring queue to 
>> transmit bio's from the guest to the host? 
>>     
>
> sort of; it's not quite a real ring (I'm using the block layer tagged
> queueing which is more efficient than a ring actually)
>   

I'm not sure I understand.  I guess I can just read the code.  What I 
was wondering was whether you put the bio's into a shared ring queue or 
whether you issued a hypercall per bio.

>>  What are you using for 
>> discovery (I assume PCI)?
>>     
>
> I just added a hypercall to enumerate. Adding a dummy PCI is probably
> needed for OS installers to auto-load the drivers.
>   

Ah, okay.

>> Could you post a copy of your driver on the list?  I think it would be 
>> good to discuss.
>>     
>
> I'll dig it up
>   

Excellent.  Thank you!

Regards,

Anthony Liguori


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-04-12 17:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-04-12  9:38 paravirtual drivers? Tomasz Chmielewski
     [not found] ` <461DFE2E.3020805-Nem3ZqsbT/g@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-12  9:49   ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]     ` <461E008F.8030701-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-12 10:00       ` Tomasz Chmielewski
     [not found]         ` <461E034F.9050608-Nem3ZqsbT/g@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-12 10:47           ` Rami Tamir
2007-04-12 11:30           ` Avi Kivity
2007-04-12  9:58   ` Dor Laor
     [not found]     ` <64F9B87B6B770947A9F8391472E032160B4A9CF0-yEcIvxbTEBqsx+V+t5oei8rau4O3wl8o3fe8/T/H7NteoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-12 12:31       ` Arjan van de Ven
     [not found]         ` <1176381086.3844.4.camel-NIQFrBLA1CpScpXdPBN83iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-12 12:40           ` Dor Laor
     [not found]             ` <64F9B87B6B770947A9F8391472E032160B4A9D60-yEcIvxbTEBqsx+V+t5oei8rau4O3wl8o3fe8/T/H7NteoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-12 14:57               ` Arjan van de Ven
     [not found]                 ` <1176389824.3417.0.camel-NIQFrBLA1CpScpXdPBN83iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-12 15:05                   ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                     ` <461E4AAF.8050606-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-12 16:16                       ` Arjan van de Ven
     [not found]                         ` <1176394563.3417.7.camel-NIQFrBLA1CpScpXdPBN83iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-12 17:42                           ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2007-04-12 15:28                   ` Avi Kivity
2007-04-12 14:04   ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]     ` <461E3C65.5080207-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-13 15:27       ` Tomasz Chmielewski
     [not found]         ` <461FA164.1090703-Nem3ZqsbT/g@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-13 15:38           ` Anthony Liguori

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