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From: Carsten Otte <cotte-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: ron minnich <rminnich-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Jimi Xenidis <jimix-aZOuKsOsJu3MbYB6QlFGEg@public.gmane.org>,
	"jmk-zzFmDc4TPjtKvsKVC3L/VUEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org"
	<jmk-zzFmDc4TPjtKvsKVC3L/VUEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org>,
	"kvm-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org"
	<kvm-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org>,
	mschwid2-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org,
	Christian Borntraeger
	<cborntra-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH/RFC 7/9] Virtual network guest device driver
Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 10:46:49 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <46457EF9.2070706@de.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <13426df10705111244w1578ebedy8259bc42ca1f588d-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>


ron minnich wrote:
> Let me ask what may seem to be a naive question to the linux world. I
> see you are doing a lot off solid work on adding block and network
> devices. The code for block and network devices
> is implemented in different ways. I've also seen this difference of
> inerface/implementation on Xen.
Actually, the difference derives from the fact that block and network 
are indeed different:
- block submits requests that ask the host to transfer from/to 
preallocated guest data buffers via dma (request driven)
- net transmits packets that should end up in an skb on the remote 
side (two way, push driven)
- net is sensitive to round-trip times, block is not due to the device 
plug for request merging

We tried different access methods for both block and network. We have 
selected the current communication mechanics after doing performance 
measurements.
I believe for a portable solution we need to develop a set of 
primitives for sending signals (read: interrupts) back and forth, for 
copying data to guest memory, and for establishing shared memory 
between guests and between guest+host. These primitives need to be 
implemented for each platform, and paravirtual drivers should build on 
top of that.
At this point in time, we are aware that these device drivers don't do 
what we'd want for a portable solution. We'll focus on getting the 
kernel interfaces to sie/vt/svm proper and portable first.

so long,
Carsten

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     [not found] <1178903957.25135.13.camel@cotte.boeblingen.de.ibm.com>
     [not found] ` <1178903957.25135.13.camel-WIxn4w2hgUz3YA32ykw5MLlKpX0K8NHHQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-11 17:35   ` [PATCH/RFC 2/9] s390 virtualization interface Carsten Otte
2007-05-11 17:35   ` [PATCH/RFC 3/9] s390 guest detection Carsten Otte
2007-05-11 17:35   ` [PATCH/RFC 4/9] Basic guest virtual devices infrastructure Carsten Otte
     [not found]     ` <1178904958.25135.31.camel-WIxn4w2hgUz3YA32ykw5MLlKpX0K8NHHQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-11 20:06       ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-05-14 11:26       ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]         ` <46484753.30602-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-14 11:43           ` Carsten Otte
     [not found]             ` <46484B5D.6080605-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-14 12:00               ` [PATCH/RFC 4/9] Basic guest virtualdevices infrastructure Dor Laor
     [not found]                 ` <64F9B87B6B770947A9F8391472E032160BC7483D-yEcIvxbTEBqsx+V+t5oei8rau4O3wl8o3fe8/T/H7NteoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-14 13:32                   ` Carsten Otte
2007-05-11 17:36   ` [PATCH/RFC 5/9] s390 virtual console for guests Carsten Otte
     [not found]     ` <1178904960.25135.32.camel-WIxn4w2hgUz3YA32ykw5MLlKpX0K8NHHQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-11 19:00       ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]         ` <4644BD3C.8040901-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-11 19:42           ` Christian Bornträger
2007-05-12  8:07           ` Carsten Otte
2007-05-14 16:23           ` Christian Bornträger
     [not found]             ` <200705141823.13424.cborntra-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-14 16:48               ` Christian Borntraeger
     [not found]                 ` <200705141848.18996.borntrae-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-14 17:49                   ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                     ` <4648A11D.3050607-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-15  0:27                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-05-15  7:54                       ` Carsten Otte
2007-05-11 17:36   ` [PATCH/RFC 6/9] virtual block device driver Carsten Otte
     [not found]     ` <1178904963.25135.33.camel-WIxn4w2hgUz3YA32ykw5MLlKpX0K8NHHQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-14 11:49       ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]         ` <46484CDF.505-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-14 13:23           ` Carsten Otte
     [not found]             ` <464862E9.7020105-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-14 14:39               ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                 ` <46487494.1070802-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-15 11:47                   ` Carsten Otte
     [not found]                     ` <46499DE9.9090202-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-16 10:01                       ` Avi Kivity
2007-05-14 11:52       ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]         ` <46484D84.3060601-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-14 13:26           ` Carsten Otte
2007-05-11 17:36   ` [PATCH/RFC 7/9] Virtual network guest " Carsten Otte
     [not found]     ` <1178904965.25135.34.camel-WIxn4w2hgUz3YA32ykw5MLlKpX0K8NHHQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-11 19:44       ` ron minnich
     [not found]         ` <13426df10705111244w1578ebedy8259bc42ca1f588d-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-11 20:12           ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]             ` <4644CE15.6080505-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-11 21:15               ` Eric Van Hensbergen
     [not found]                 ` <a4e6962a0705111415n47e77a15o331b59cf2a03b4-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-11 21:47                   ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                     ` <4644E456.2060507-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-11 22:21                       ` Eric Van Hensbergen
     [not found]                         ` <a4e6962a0705111521v2d451ddcjecf209e2031c85af-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-16 17:28                           ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                             ` <464B3F20.4030904-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-16 17:38                               ` Daniel P. Berrange
     [not found]                                 ` <20070516173822.GD16863-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-17  9:29                                   ` Carsten Otte
     [not found]                                     ` <464C2069.20909-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-17 14:22                                       ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                                         ` <464C651F.5070700-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-21 11:11                                           ` Christian Borntraeger
2007-05-16 17:41                               ` Eric Van Hensbergen
     [not found]                                 ` <a4e6962a0705161041s5393c1a6wc455b20ff3fe8106-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-16 18:47                                   ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                                     ` <464B51A8.7050307-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-16 19:33                                       ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2007-05-16 17:45                               ` Gregory Haskins
     [not found]                                 ` <464B0ADB.BA47.005A.0-Et1tbQHTxzrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-16 18:39                                   ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                                     ` <464B4FEB.7070300-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-16 18:57                                       ` Gregory Haskins
     [not found]                                         ` <464B1B9C.BA47.005A.0-Et1tbQHTxzrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-16 19:10                                           ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                                             ` <464B572C.6090800-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-17  4:24                                               ` Rusty Russell
     [not found]                                                 ` <1179375881.21871.83.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-17 16:13                                                   ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                                                     ` <464C7F45.50908-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-17 23:34                                                       ` Rusty Russell
2007-05-21  9:07                                               ` Christian Borntraeger
     [not found]                                                 ` <OFC1AADF6F.DB57C7AC-ON422572E2.0030BE22-422572E2.0032174C-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-21  9:27                                                   ` Cornelia Huck
2007-05-21 11:28                                                   ` Arnd Bergmann
     [not found]                                                     ` <200705211328.04565.arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-21 11:56                                                       ` Cornelia Huck
     [not found]                                                         ` <20070521135628.17a4f9cc-XQvu0L+U/CiXI4yAdoq52KN5r0PSdgG1zG2AekJRRhI@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-21 13:53                                                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-05-21 18:45                                                       ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                                                         ` <4651E8D1.4010208-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-21 23:09                                                           ` ron minnich
     [not found]                                                             ` <13426df10705211609j613032c6j373d9a4660f8ec6c-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-22  0:29                                                               ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                                                                 ` <46523952.7070405-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-22  0:45                                                                   ` ron minnich
     [not found]                                                                     ` <13426df10705211745r69acc95ai458b2192fe0d0132-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-22  1:13                                                                       ` Anthony Liguori
2007-05-22  1:34                                                                   ` Eric Van Hensbergen
     [not found]                                                                     ` <a4e6962a0705211834s4db19c7t3b95765bf2c092d7-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-22  1:42                                                                       ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                                                                         ` <46524A79.8070004-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-22  5:17                                                                           ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                                                                             ` <46527CD9.5000603-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-22 12:49                                                                               ` Eric Van Hensbergen
     [not found]                                                                                 ` <a4e6962a0705220549j1c9565f2ic160c672b74aea35-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-22 12:56                                                                                   ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]                                                                                     ` <20070522125655.GA4506-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-22 14:50                                                                                       ` Eric Van Hensbergen
     [not found]                                                                                         ` <a4e6962a0705220750s5abe380dg8dd8e7d0b84de7cd-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-22 15:05                                                                                           ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                                                                                             ` <465306AE.5080902-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-22 15:31                                                                                               ` ron minnich
2007-05-22 16:25                                                                                               ` Eric Van Hensbergen
     [not found]                                                                                                 ` <a4e6962a0705220925l580f136we269380fe3c9691c-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-22 17:00                                                                                                   ` ron minnich
     [not found]                                                                                                     ` <13426df10705221000i749badc5h8afe4f2fc95bc2ce-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-22 17:06                                                                                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]                                                                                                         ` <20070522170628.GA16624-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-22 17:34                                                                                                           ` ron minnich
     [not found]                                                                                                             ` <13426df10705221034k7baf5bccrc77aabca8c9e225c-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-22 20:03                                                                                                               ` Dor Laor
     [not found]                                                                                                                 ` <64F9B87B6B770947A9F8391472E032160BF29F1E-yEcIvxbTEBqsx+V+t5oei8rau4O3wl8o3fe8/T/H7NteoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-22 20:10                                                                                                                   ` ron minnich
2007-05-22 22:56                                                                                                                   ` Nakajima, Jun
     [not found]                                                                                                                     ` <8FFF7E42E93CC646B632AB40643802A8032793AC-1a9uaKK1+wJcIJlls4ac1rfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-23  8:15                                                                                                                       ` Carsten Otte
     [not found]                                                                                                                         ` <4653F807.2010209-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-23 12:25                                                                                                                           ` Avi Kivity
2007-05-23 14:12                                                                                                                           ` Eric Van Hensbergen
     [not found]                                                                                                                             ` <a4e6962a0705230712pd8c2958m9dee6b2ccec0899d-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-23 23:02                                                                                                                               ` Arnd Bergmann
     [not found]                                                                                                                                 ` <200705240102.40795.arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-23 23:57                                                                                                                                   ` Eric Van Hensbergen
     [not found]                                                                                                                                     ` <a4e6962a0705231657n65946ba4n74393f7028b6d61c-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-24  0:07                                                                                                                                       ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2007-05-23 12:21                                                                                                                       ` Avi Kivity
2007-05-23 12:16                                                                                                           ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                                                                                                             ` <465430B2.7050101-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-23 12:20                                                                                                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-05-23 12:20                                                                                                       ` Avi Kivity
2007-05-23 11:55                                                                                           ` Avi Kivity
2007-05-22 13:08                                                                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2007-05-18  5:31                               ` ron minnich
     [not found]                                 ` <13426df10705172231y5e93d1f5y398d4f187a8978e1-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-18 14:31                                   ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                                     ` <464DB8A5.6080503-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-18 15:14                                       ` ron minnich
2007-05-11 21:51               ` ron minnich
2007-05-12  8:46           ` Carsten Otte [this message]
     [not found]             ` <46457EF9.2070706-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-13 12:04               ` Dor Laor
     [not found]                 ` <64F9B87B6B770947A9F8391472E032160BC74612-yEcIvxbTEBqsx+V+t5oei8rau4O3wl8o3fe8/T/H7NteoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-13 14:49                   ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                     ` <4647257F.4020900-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-13 16:23                       ` Dor Laor
     [not found]                         ` <64F9B87B6B770947A9F8391472E032160BC74675-yEcIvxbTEBqsx+V+t5oei8rau4O3wl8o3fe8/T/H7NteoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-13 16:49                           ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                             ` <4647418A.2040201-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-13 17:06                               ` Muli Ben-Yehuda
     [not found]                                 ` <20070513170608.GA4343-WD1JZD8MxeCTrf4lBMg6DdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-13 20:31                                   ` Dor Laor
2007-05-14  2:39                               ` Rusty Russell
2007-05-14 11:53                               ` Avi Kivity
2007-05-14 12:05           ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]             ` <46485070.3000106-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-14 12:24               ` Christian Bornträger
     [not found]                 ` <200705141424.44423.cborntra-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-14 12:32                   ` Avi Kivity
2007-05-14 13:36               ` Carsten Otte
2007-05-11 17:36   ` [PATCH/RFC 8/9] Virtual network host switch support Carsten Otte
     [not found]     ` <1178904968.25135.35.camel-WIxn4w2hgUz3YA32ykw5MLlKpX0K8NHHQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-11 20:21       ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]         ` <4644D048.7060106-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-11 20:50           ` Christian Bornträger
2007-05-11 17:36   ` [PATCH/RFC 9/9] Fix system<->user misaccount of interpreted execution Carsten Otte

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