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From: Anthony Liguori <anthony-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
To: Eric Van Hensbergen <ericvh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Jimi Xenidis <jimix-aZOuKsOsJu3MbYB6QlFGEg@public.gmane.org>,
	"jmk-zzFmDc4TPjtKvsKVC3L/VUEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org"
	<jmk-zzFmDc4TPjtKvsKVC3L/VUEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org>,
	Christian Borntraeger
	<CBORNTRA-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	mschwid2-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org,
	Suzanne McIntosh
	<skranjac-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	kvm-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH/RFC 7/9] Virtual network guest device driver
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 20:42:17 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <46524A79.8070004@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a4e6962a0705211834s4db19c7t3b95765bf2c092d7-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>

Eric Van Hensbergen wrote:
> On 5/21/07, Anthony Liguori <anthony-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>> ron minnich wrote:
>> > OK, so what are we doing here? We're using a PCI abstraction, as a
>> > common abstraction,which is not common really, because we don't have a
>> > common abstraction? So we describe all these non-pci resources with a
>> > pci abstraction?
>> >
>>
>> No.  You're confusing PV device discovery with the actual paravirtual
>> transport.
>
> In a PV environment why not just pass an initial cookie/hash/whatever
> as a command-line argument/register/memory-space to the underlying
> kernel?

You can't pass a command line argument to Windows (at least, not easily 
AFAIK).  You could get away with an MSR/CPUID flag but then you're 
relying on uniqueness which isn't guaranteed.

>   The presence of such a kernel argument would suggest the
> existence of a hypercall interface or other such mechanism to "attach"
> to the initial transport(s).  Command-line arguments may be a bit too
> linux-centric to Ron's taste, but if we are going to chose something
> arbitrary like PCI, I'd prefer we chose something a bit more
> straightforward to interact with instead of doing crazy ritual dances
> to extract what should be straightforward information.  I really don't
> want to have integrate PCI parsing into my testOS/libOS kernels.

You could just hard code a PIC interrupt and rely on some static memory 
address for IO and avoid the PCI bus entirely.  The whole point of the 
PCI bus is to avoid hardcoding this sort of things but if you don't want 
the complexity associated with PCI, then using the "older" mechanisms 
seems like the obvious thing to do.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

>            -eric
>


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     [not found] <1178903957.25135.13.camel@cotte.boeblingen.de.ibm.com>
     [not found] ` <1178903957.25135.13.camel-WIxn4w2hgUz3YA32ykw5MLlKpX0K8NHHQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-11 17:35   ` [PATCH/RFC 2/9] s390 virtualization interface Carsten Otte
2007-05-11 17:35   ` [PATCH/RFC 3/9] s390 guest detection Carsten Otte
2007-05-11 17:35   ` [PATCH/RFC 4/9] Basic guest virtual devices infrastructure Carsten Otte
     [not found]     ` <1178904958.25135.31.camel-WIxn4w2hgUz3YA32ykw5MLlKpX0K8NHHQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-11 20:06       ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-05-14 11:26       ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]         ` <46484753.30602-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-14 11:43           ` Carsten Otte
     [not found]             ` <46484B5D.6080605-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-14 12:00               ` [PATCH/RFC 4/9] Basic guest virtualdevices infrastructure Dor Laor
     [not found]                 ` <64F9B87B6B770947A9F8391472E032160BC7483D-yEcIvxbTEBqsx+V+t5oei8rau4O3wl8o3fe8/T/H7NteoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-14 13:32                   ` Carsten Otte
2007-05-11 17:36   ` [PATCH/RFC 5/9] s390 virtual console for guests Carsten Otte
     [not found]     ` <1178904960.25135.32.camel-WIxn4w2hgUz3YA32ykw5MLlKpX0K8NHHQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-11 19:00       ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]         ` <4644BD3C.8040901-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-11 19:42           ` Christian Bornträger
2007-05-12  8:07           ` Carsten Otte
2007-05-14 16:23           ` Christian Bornträger
     [not found]             ` <200705141823.13424.cborntra-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-14 16:48               ` Christian Borntraeger
     [not found]                 ` <200705141848.18996.borntrae-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-14 17:49                   ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                     ` <4648A11D.3050607-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-15  0:27                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-05-15  7:54                       ` Carsten Otte
2007-05-11 17:36   ` [PATCH/RFC 6/9] virtual block device driver Carsten Otte
     [not found]     ` <1178904963.25135.33.camel-WIxn4w2hgUz3YA32ykw5MLlKpX0K8NHHQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-14 11:49       ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]         ` <46484CDF.505-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-14 13:23           ` Carsten Otte
     [not found]             ` <464862E9.7020105-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-14 14:39               ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                 ` <46487494.1070802-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-15 11:47                   ` Carsten Otte
     [not found]                     ` <46499DE9.9090202-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-16 10:01                       ` Avi Kivity
2007-05-14 11:52       ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]         ` <46484D84.3060601-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-14 13:26           ` Carsten Otte
2007-05-11 17:36   ` [PATCH/RFC 7/9] Virtual network guest " Carsten Otte
     [not found]     ` <1178904965.25135.34.camel-WIxn4w2hgUz3YA32ykw5MLlKpX0K8NHHQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-11 19:44       ` ron minnich
     [not found]         ` <13426df10705111244w1578ebedy8259bc42ca1f588d-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-11 20:12           ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]             ` <4644CE15.6080505-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-11 21:15               ` Eric Van Hensbergen
     [not found]                 ` <a4e6962a0705111415n47e77a15o331b59cf2a03b4-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-11 21:47                   ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                     ` <4644E456.2060507-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-11 22:21                       ` Eric Van Hensbergen
     [not found]                         ` <a4e6962a0705111521v2d451ddcjecf209e2031c85af-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-16 17:28                           ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                             ` <464B3F20.4030904-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-16 17:38                               ` Daniel P. Berrange
     [not found]                                 ` <20070516173822.GD16863-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-17  9:29                                   ` Carsten Otte
     [not found]                                     ` <464C2069.20909-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-17 14:22                                       ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                                         ` <464C651F.5070700-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-21 11:11                                           ` Christian Borntraeger
2007-05-16 17:41                               ` Eric Van Hensbergen
     [not found]                                 ` <a4e6962a0705161041s5393c1a6wc455b20ff3fe8106-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-16 18:47                                   ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                                     ` <464B51A8.7050307-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-16 19:33                                       ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2007-05-16 17:45                               ` Gregory Haskins
     [not found]                                 ` <464B0ADB.BA47.005A.0-Et1tbQHTxzrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-16 18:39                                   ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                                     ` <464B4FEB.7070300-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-16 18:57                                       ` Gregory Haskins
     [not found]                                         ` <464B1B9C.BA47.005A.0-Et1tbQHTxzrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-16 19:10                                           ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                                             ` <464B572C.6090800-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-17  4:24                                               ` Rusty Russell
     [not found]                                                 ` <1179375881.21871.83.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-17 16:13                                                   ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                                                     ` <464C7F45.50908-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-17 23:34                                                       ` Rusty Russell
2007-05-21  9:07                                               ` Christian Borntraeger
     [not found]                                                 ` <OFC1AADF6F.DB57C7AC-ON422572E2.0030BE22-422572E2.0032174C-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-21  9:27                                                   ` Cornelia Huck
2007-05-21 11:28                                                   ` Arnd Bergmann
     [not found]                                                     ` <200705211328.04565.arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-21 11:56                                                       ` Cornelia Huck
     [not found]                                                         ` <20070521135628.17a4f9cc-XQvu0L+U/CiXI4yAdoq52KN5r0PSdgG1zG2AekJRRhI@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-21 13:53                                                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-05-21 18:45                                                       ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                                                         ` <4651E8D1.4010208-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-21 23:09                                                           ` ron minnich
     [not found]                                                             ` <13426df10705211609j613032c6j373d9a4660f8ec6c-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-22  0:29                                                               ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                                                                 ` <46523952.7070405-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-22  0:45                                                                   ` ron minnich
     [not found]                                                                     ` <13426df10705211745r69acc95ai458b2192fe0d0132-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-22  1:13                                                                       ` Anthony Liguori
2007-05-22  1:34                                                                   ` Eric Van Hensbergen
     [not found]                                                                     ` <a4e6962a0705211834s4db19c7t3b95765bf2c092d7-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-22  1:42                                                                       ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
     [not found]                                                                         ` <46524A79.8070004-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-22  5:17                                                                           ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                                                                             ` <46527CD9.5000603-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-22 12:49                                                                               ` Eric Van Hensbergen
     [not found]                                                                                 ` <a4e6962a0705220549j1c9565f2ic160c672b74aea35-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-22 12:56                                                                                   ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]                                                                                     ` <20070522125655.GA4506-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-22 14:50                                                                                       ` Eric Van Hensbergen
     [not found]                                                                                         ` <a4e6962a0705220750s5abe380dg8dd8e7d0b84de7cd-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-22 15:05                                                                                           ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                                                                                             ` <465306AE.5080902-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-22 15:31                                                                                               ` ron minnich
2007-05-22 16:25                                                                                               ` Eric Van Hensbergen
     [not found]                                                                                                 ` <a4e6962a0705220925l580f136we269380fe3c9691c-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-22 17:00                                                                                                   ` ron minnich
     [not found]                                                                                                     ` <13426df10705221000i749badc5h8afe4f2fc95bc2ce-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-22 17:06                                                                                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]                                                                                                         ` <20070522170628.GA16624-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-22 17:34                                                                                                           ` ron minnich
     [not found]                                                                                                             ` <13426df10705221034k7baf5bccrc77aabca8c9e225c-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-22 20:03                                                                                                               ` Dor Laor
     [not found]                                                                                                                 ` <64F9B87B6B770947A9F8391472E032160BF29F1E-yEcIvxbTEBqsx+V+t5oei8rau4O3wl8o3fe8/T/H7NteoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-22 20:10                                                                                                                   ` ron minnich
2007-05-22 22:56                                                                                                                   ` Nakajima, Jun
     [not found]                                                                                                                     ` <8FFF7E42E93CC646B632AB40643802A8032793AC-1a9uaKK1+wJcIJlls4ac1rfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-23  8:15                                                                                                                       ` Carsten Otte
     [not found]                                                                                                                         ` <4653F807.2010209-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-23 12:25                                                                                                                           ` Avi Kivity
2007-05-23 14:12                                                                                                                           ` Eric Van Hensbergen
     [not found]                                                                                                                             ` <a4e6962a0705230712pd8c2958m9dee6b2ccec0899d-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-23 23:02                                                                                                                               ` Arnd Bergmann
     [not found]                                                                                                                                 ` <200705240102.40795.arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-23 23:57                                                                                                                                   ` Eric Van Hensbergen
     [not found]                                                                                                                                     ` <a4e6962a0705231657n65946ba4n74393f7028b6d61c-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-24  0:07                                                                                                                                       ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2007-05-23 12:21                                                                                                                       ` Avi Kivity
2007-05-23 12:16                                                                                                           ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                                                                                                             ` <465430B2.7050101-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-23 12:20                                                                                                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-05-23 12:20                                                                                                       ` Avi Kivity
2007-05-23 11:55                                                                                           ` Avi Kivity
2007-05-22 13:08                                                                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2007-05-18  5:31                               ` ron minnich
     [not found]                                 ` <13426df10705172231y5e93d1f5y398d4f187a8978e1-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-18 14:31                                   ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                                     ` <464DB8A5.6080503-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-18 15:14                                       ` ron minnich
2007-05-11 21:51               ` ron minnich
2007-05-12  8:46           ` Carsten Otte
     [not found]             ` <46457EF9.2070706-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-13 12:04               ` Dor Laor
     [not found]                 ` <64F9B87B6B770947A9F8391472E032160BC74612-yEcIvxbTEBqsx+V+t5oei8rau4O3wl8o3fe8/T/H7NteoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-13 14:49                   ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                     ` <4647257F.4020900-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-13 16:23                       ` Dor Laor
     [not found]                         ` <64F9B87B6B770947A9F8391472E032160BC74675-yEcIvxbTEBqsx+V+t5oei8rau4O3wl8o3fe8/T/H7NteoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-13 16:49                           ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                             ` <4647418A.2040201-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-13 17:06                               ` Muli Ben-Yehuda
     [not found]                                 ` <20070513170608.GA4343-WD1JZD8MxeCTrf4lBMg6DdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-13 20:31                                   ` Dor Laor
2007-05-14  2:39                               ` Rusty Russell
2007-05-14 11:53                               ` Avi Kivity
2007-05-14 12:05           ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]             ` <46485070.3000106-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-14 12:24               ` Christian Bornträger
     [not found]                 ` <200705141424.44423.cborntra-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-14 12:32                   ` Avi Kivity
2007-05-14 13:36               ` Carsten Otte
2007-05-11 17:36   ` [PATCH/RFC 8/9] Virtual network host switch support Carsten Otte
     [not found]     ` <1178904968.25135.35.camel-WIxn4w2hgUz3YA32ykw5MLlKpX0K8NHHQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-11 20:21       ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]         ` <4644D048.7060106-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-11 20:50           ` Christian Bornträger
2007-05-11 17:36   ` [PATCH/RFC 9/9] Fix system<->user misaccount of interpreted execution Carsten Otte

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