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From: Avi Kivity <avi-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
To: Rusty Russell <rusty-8n+1lVoiYb80n/F98K4Iww@public.gmane.org>
Cc: kvm-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: virtio implementation?
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 11:49:50 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <469DD42E.3050406@qumranet.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1184742407.10380.108.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>

Rusty Russell wrote:
> On Tue, 2007-07-17 at 23:49 -0700, Dor Laor wrote:
>   
>>> On Tue, 2007-07-17 at 06:31 -0700, Dor Laor wrote:
>>>       
>>>> btw: Rusty - what do you think of virtio for the host?
>>>>         
>>> You mean backend?  For networking it makes a great deal of sense.  For
>>> block it makes far less sense (COW, weird formats, etc).
>>>       
>> I meant networking, but there are more components we can add to the
>> host:
>> 	- Block device can be directed into blkTap thus making the
>> result both flexible and zero-copy.
>>     
>
> 	Let's avoid the term "zero-copy" since it usually indicates that the
> people in the discussion can't count.  

Well, for block you can do zero copy, using O_DIRECT.

> Let's further assume that kvm
> changes to the lguest model where guest pages are user pages.
>   

That's a valid assumption.  The rest of the discussion doesn't depend on
it, does it?

> 	AFAICT the only difference between a userspace host block driver and a
> kernel host block driver is now the system call overhead, and the
> difficulty of doing efficient write barriers from userspace.
>
>   

True.  For mortal people setups where you have at most a few thousand
ops/sec, the overhead is negligible.  In-kernel host drivers make sense
only for 100+ disks.  These people are better off using blockdevs rather
than file, so an in-kernel block device need not support file-based storage.


-- 
Do not meddle in the internals of kernels, for they are subtle and quick to panic.


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-07-18  8:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-07-17 13:19 virtio implementation? Gregory Haskins
     [not found] ` <469C89BD0200005A00027AE1-Igcdv/6uVdMHoYOw/+koYqIwWpluYiW7@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-17 13:31   ` Dor Laor
     [not found]     ` <64F9B87B6B770947A9F8391472E032160CC163F7-yEcIvxbTEBqsx+V+t5oei8rau4O3wl8o3fe8/T/H7NteoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-17 23:42       ` Rusty Russell
     [not found]         ` <1184715761.10380.37.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-18  6:49           ` Dor Laor
     [not found]             ` <64F9B87B6B770947A9F8391472E032160CC169D5-yEcIvxbTEBqsx+V+t5oei8rau4O3wl8o3fe8/T/H7NteoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-18  7:06               ` Rusty Russell
     [not found]                 ` <1184742407.10380.108.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-18  8:49                   ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2007-07-18  7:57           ` Gerd Hoffmann
     [not found]             ` <469DC7F2.8050909-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-18 23:48               ` Arnd Bergmann
     [not found]                 ` <200707190148.21728.arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-19  0:02                   ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                     ` <469EAA2B.40307-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-19  0:12                       ` Arnd Bergmann
     [not found]                         ` <200707190212.25826.arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-19  1:42                           ` Anthony Liguori
2007-07-19  5:42                           ` Avi Kivity
2007-07-19  2:37                   ` Daniel P. Berrange
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-07-17 13:37 Gregory Haskins
     [not found] ` <469C8DDF0200005A00027AEC-Igcdv/6uVdMHoYOw/+koYqIwWpluYiW7@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-17 16:14   ` Dor Laor

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