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From: Avi Kivity <avi-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
To: Gregory Haskins <ghaskins-Et1tbQHTxzrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: kvm-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org,
	virtualization
	<virtualization-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/10] PV-IO v3
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 15:25:48 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <46CAD9CC.6050209@qumranet.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1187697638.4363.277.camel-5CR4LY5GPkvLDviKLk5550HKjMygAv58XqFh9Ls21Oc@public.gmane.org>

Gregory Haskins wrote:
> On Tue, 2007-08-21 at 17:58 +1000, Rusty Russell wrote:
>
>   
>> Partly the horror of the code, but mainly because it is an in-order
>> ring.  You'll note that we use a reply ring, so we don't need to know
>> how much the other side has consumed (and it needn't do so in order).
>>
>>     
>
> I have certainly been known to take a similar stance when looking at Xen
> code ;) (recall the lapic work I did).  However, that said I am not yet
> convinced that an out-of-order ring (at least as a fundamental
> primitive) buys us much.  

It's pretty much required for block I/O into disk arrays.

Xen does out-of-order, btw, on its single ring, but at the cost of some 
complexity.  I don't believe it is worthwhile and prefer split 
request/reply rings.

With my VJ T-shirt on, I can even say it's more efficient, as each side 
of the ring will have a single writer and a single reader, reducing 
ping-pong effects if the interrupt completions happens to land on the 
wrong cpu.

> I think the use of rings for the tx-path in of
> itself is questionable unless you can implement something like the bidir
> NAPI that I demonstrated in ioqnet.  Otherwise, you end up having to
> hypercall on each update to the ring anyway and you might as well
> hypercall directly w/o using a ring.
>   

Network tx can be out of order too (with some traffic destined to other 
guests, some to the host, and some to external interfaces, completions 
will be out of order).

-- 
error compiling committee.c: too many arguments to function


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-08-21 12:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-08-16 23:13 [PATCH 00/10] PV-IO v3 Gregory Haskins
     [not found] ` <20070816231357.8044.55943.stgit-5CR4LY5GPkvLDviKLk5550HKjMygAv58XqFh9Ls21Oc@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-16 23:14   ` [PATCH 01/10] IOQ: Adding basic definitions for IO-Queue logic Gregory Haskins
2007-08-16 23:14   ` [PATCH 02/10] PARAVIRTUALIZATION: Add support for a bus abstraction Gregory Haskins
2007-08-16 23:14   ` [PATCH 03/10] IOQ: Add an IOQ network driver Gregory Haskins
2007-08-16 23:14   ` [PATCH 04/10] IOQNET: Add a test harness infrastructure to IOQNET Gregory Haskins
2007-08-16 23:14   ` [PATCH 05/10] IRQ: Export create_irq/destroy_irq Gregory Haskins
2007-08-16 23:14   ` [PATCH 06/10] KVM: Add a guest side driver for IOQ Gregory Haskins
2007-08-16 23:14   ` [PATCH 07/10] KVM: Add a gpa_to_hva helper function Gregory Haskins
2007-08-16 23:14   ` [PATCH 08/10] KVM: Add support for IOQ Gregory Haskins
2007-08-16 23:14   ` [PATCH 09/10] KVM: Add PVBUS support to the KVM host Gregory Haskins
2007-08-16 23:14   ` [PATCH 10/10] KVM: Add an IOQNET backend driver Gregory Haskins
2007-08-17  1:25   ` [PATCH 00/10] PV-IO v3 Rusty Russell
     [not found]     ` <1187313953.6449.70.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-17  5:26       ` Gregory Haskins
     [not found]         ` <1187328402.4363.110.camel-5CR4LY5GPkvLDviKLk5550HKjMygAv58XqFh9Ls21Oc@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-17  7:43           ` Rusty Russell
     [not found]             ` <1187336618.6449.106.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-17 13:50               ` Gregory Haskins
     [not found]                 ` <1187358614.4363.135.camel-5CR4LY5GPkvLDviKLk5550HKjMygAv58XqFh9Ls21Oc@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-20 23:28                   ` Rusty Russell
     [not found]                     ` <1187652496.19435.141.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-21  7:33                       ` Dor Laor
     [not found]                         ` <64F9B87B6B770947A9F8391472E032160D464FEB-yEcIvxbTEBqsx+V+t5oei8rau4O3wl8o3fe8/T/H7NteoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-21  7:58                           ` Rusty Russell
     [not found]                             ` <1187683122.19435.171.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-21 12:00                               ` Gregory Haskins
     [not found]                                 ` <1187697638.4363.277.camel-5CR4LY5GPkvLDviKLk5550HKjMygAv58XqFh9Ls21Oc@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-21 12:25                                   ` Avi Kivity [this message]
     [not found]                                     ` <46CAD9CC.6050209-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-21 13:11                                       ` Gregory Haskins
2007-08-21 13:47                                   ` Rusty Russell
     [not found]                                     ` <1187704038.19435.194.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-21 14:06                                       ` Gregory Haskins
     [not found]                                         ` <1187705162.4363.323.camel-5CR4LY5GPkvLDviKLk5550HKjMygAv58XqFh9Ls21Oc@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-21 16:47                                           ` Gregory Haskins
     [not found]                                             ` <1187714864.4363.358.camel-5CR4LY5GPkvLDviKLk5550HKjMygAv58XqFh9Ls21Oc@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-21 17:12                                               ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                                                 ` <46CB1D06.1040005-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-21 17:17                                                   ` Gregory Haskins
2007-08-22  3:29                                               ` Rusty Russell
     [not found]                                                 ` <1187753365.6174.26.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-22  9:18                                                   ` Christian Borntraeger
     [not found]                                                     ` <200708221118.00990.borntraeger-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-22  9:26                                                       ` Dor Laor
     [not found]                                                         ` <64F9B87B6B770947A9F8391472E032160D503D81-yEcIvxbTEBqsx+V+t5oei8rau4O3wl8o3fe8/T/H7NteoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-22  9:30                                                           ` Christian Borntraeger
     [not found]                                                             ` <200708221130.17364.borntraeger-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-22 10:05                                                               ` Dor Laor
2007-08-22 10:40                                                           ` Rusty Russell
     [not found]                                                             ` <1187779205.6174.87.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-22 11:47                                                               ` Avi Kivity
2007-08-21 12:29                               ` Avi Kivity
2007-08-19  9:24       ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]         ` <46C80C5B.7070009-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-20 13:50           ` Gregory Haskins
2007-08-20 14:03             ` [kvm-devel] " Dor Laor
     [not found]               ` <64F9B87B6B770947A9F8391472E032160D4649E2-yEcIvxbTEBqsx+V+t5oei8rau4O3wl8o3fe8/T/H7NteoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-20 14:12                 ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                   ` <46C9A150.60101-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-20 23:24                     ` Rusty Russell
2007-08-20 14:17                 ` Gregory Haskins
     [not found]             ` <1187617806.4363.179.camel-5CR4LY5GPkvLDviKLk5550HKjMygAv58XqFh9Ls21Oc@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-20 14:14               ` Avi Kivity

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