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From: Avi Kivity <avi@qumranet.com>
To: Paul Brook <paul@codesourcery.com>
Cc: kvm-devel <kvm-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>, qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: Re: [kvm-devel] expose host CPU features to guests
Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 11:46:07 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <46DFBE4F.5080206@qumranet.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200709060130.03618.paul@codesourcery.com>

Paul Brook wrote:
>>> I think qemu-cvs has a -cpu option for non-x86 which could be used for
>>> this.  Agree machine types are the wrong approach.
>>>       
>> Yep, machine types are already used to switch between a different concept
>> so using  the new -cpu option would make sense. Could perhaps extend the
>> syntax so that instead of '-cpu TYPE' it used '-cpu TYPE,FEATURES' where
>> FEATURES was an optional list of CPU features to allow
>>     
>
> I tried this for ARM, and having separate type+features isn't worth the 
> effort. The internal implementation is feature based, but IMHO there's little 
> benefit exposing that to the user. Just define appropriate CPUs for the 
> interesting feature combinations.
>
>   

The use case is different.  We don't care about the actual features, but 
about finding the greatest common denominator in a virtualization farm.  
I don't see this as useful for qemu; rather kvm and kqemu.

> Of course the x86 emulation doesn't currently support restricting the 
> architecture features available.  To make the --cpu option useful you need to 
> implement that first.
>   

Applications will not use a feature that is not present in cpuid, so 
that is not an issue.  For the virtualization use case, it is also 
impossible to turn off support for a feature.

-- 
Any sufficiently difficult bug is indistinguishable from a feature.

  reply	other threads:[~2007-09-06  8:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-09-05 17:45 expose host CPU features to guests danken-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w
     [not found] ` <20070905174530.GA3945-iWbx9bcAnq+Hk9JtIoIkgNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2007-09-05 19:26   ` Anthony Liguori
2007-09-05 19:34     ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]       ` <46DF04D5.5000807-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-09-05 19:44         ` Daniel P. Berrange
     [not found]           ` <20070905194448.GN5503-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-09-06  0:30             ` [Qemu-devel] " Paul Brook
2007-09-06  8:46               ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2007-09-07 10:47     ` Jamie Lokier
     [not found]       ` <20070907104738.GA14723-tp2ajI7sM85Y6zH9YvfY1x2eb7JE58TQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-09-09  7:51         ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]           ` <46E3A618.7030505-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-09-09 12:47             ` Jamie Lokier
     [not found]               ` <20070909124718.GE24240-tp2ajI7sM85Y6zH9YvfY1x2eb7JE58TQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-09-09 12:55                 ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                   ` <46E3ED2B.6080606-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-09-09 13:07                     ` Jamie Lokier
2007-09-09 13:14                       ` [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
     [not found]                       ` <20070909130725.GF24240-tp2ajI7sM85Y6zH9YvfY1x2eb7JE58TQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-09-09 15:25                         ` [Qemu-devel] " Paul Brook
2007-09-09 15:29                           ` [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
2007-09-09 15:47                             ` Jamie Lokier
2007-09-09 16:12                             ` Paul Brook
     [not found]                               ` <200709091712.15743.paul-qD8j1LwMmJjtCj0u4l0SBw@public.gmane.org>
2007-09-09 16:38                                 ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2007-09-10 16:53                                 ` Jamie Lokier
2007-09-10  7:40 ` expose host CPU features to guests: Take 2 Dan Kenigsberg
     [not found]   ` <20070910074005.GA26869-iWbx9bcAnq+Hk9JtIoIkgNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2007-09-24 17:41     ` expose host CPU features to guests: Take 3 Dan Kenigsberg
     [not found]       ` <20070924174129.GA4507-iWbx9bcAnq+Hk9JtIoIkgNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2007-09-25  1:28         ` [Qemu-devel] " andrzej zaborowski
     [not found]           ` <fb249edb0709241828pb6b9fd4v1d1d8d4a3495f040-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-09-25  8:48             ` Dan Kenigsberg
     [not found]               ` <20070925084842.GA14221-iWbx9bcAnq+Hk9JtIoIkgNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2007-09-25  9:01                 ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                   ` <46F8CE52.3080502-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-09-25  9:19                     ` J. Mayer
2007-09-25  9:31                       ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                         ` <46F8D577.3020306-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-09-25 10:40                           ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                             ` <46F8E5A2.30906-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-09-25 11:09                               ` J. Mayer
2007-09-25 11:36                                 ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                                   ` <46F8F2B8.1080203-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-09-25 12:05                                     ` Fabrice Bellard
2007-09-25 13:07                                     ` Jocelyn Mayer
     [not found]                                       ` <1190725664.13490.14.camel-JEa2SU7BmVsPEyPTZiGI+UEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org>
2007-09-25 13:12                                         ` Avi Kivity
2007-09-25 13:27                                         ` Dan Kenigsberg
2007-09-25 12:51                           ` Paul Brook
     [not found]                             ` <200709251351.55481.paul-qD8j1LwMmJjtCj0u4l0SBw@public.gmane.org>
2007-09-25 13:13                               ` Avi Kivity
2007-10-07 12:38         ` x86 -cpu option: Take 4 Dan Kenigsberg

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