windows 2003 smp guest

windows 2003 smp guest

[Haydn Solomon]

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I am interested in installing smp windows 2003 server guest and have some
questions.

1.  Is windows smp guest working and performing well at this point in kvm?
2.  If question 1 above is true, then what HAL should I choose during
installation and what other flags should I use when running it?

Thanks for any help in advance.

Haydn

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Re: windows 2003 smp guest

[Avi Kivity]

Haydn Solomon wrote:
> I am interested in installing smp windows 2003 server guest and have 
> some questions.
>
> 1.  Is windows smp guest working and performing well at this point in kvm?

It's working will with -no-kvm-irqchip.  Not so sure without the switch, 
but we're improving things.

I haven't tested performance very thoroughly.  What's your workload?

> 2.  If question 1 above is true, then what HAL should I choose during 
> installation and what other flags should I use when running it?
>

Good question.  What HALs are available for Windows 2003 SMP?

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Re: windows 2003 smp guest

[Haydn Solomon]

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On 9/18/07, Avi Kivity <avi-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>
>
>
> It's working will with -no-kvm-irqchip.  Not so sure without the switch,
> but we're improving things.
>
> I haven't tested performance very thoroughly.  What's your workload?


My workload medium to high. Running full cisco labs using cisco emulator.


>
> Good question.  What HALs are available for Windows 2003 SMP?


The following are available...

acpi multiprocessor pc
acpi uniprocessor pc
acpi pc
mps uniprocessor pc
mps multiprocessor pc
standard pc
other


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One other question. I'm doing this a core 2 duo and am wondering about
number vcpu. I know xen for example can have more vcpus than physical cpus,
example 4 vcpus on 2 physical cpus/cores. What is the recommendation for
best performance? I would imagine a one to one ie. 2 vcpus on 2 cores/cpus?

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Re: windows 2003 smp guest

[Avi Kivity]

Haydn Solomon wrote:
>
>
> On 9/18/07, *Avi Kivity* <avi-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org <mailto:avi-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>> 
> wrote:
>
>
>
>     It's working will with -no-kvm-irqchip.  Not so sure without the
>     switch,
>     but we're improving things.
>
>     I haven't tested performance very thoroughly.  What's your workload?
>
>
> My workload medium to high. Running full cisco labs using cisco emulator.

Well, no idea what that is.


>
>
>
>     Good question.  What HALs are available for Windows 2003 SMP?
>
>
> The following are available...
>
> acpi multiprocessor pc
> acpi uniprocessor pc
> acpi pc
> mps uniprocessor pc
> mps multiprocessor pc
> standard pc
> other
>  
>

mps multiprocessor may give the best performance, though I've never 
tested it.

>     --
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>
>
>
> One other question. I'm doing this a core 2 duo and am wondering about 
> number vcpu. I know xen for example can have more vcpus than physical 
> cpus, example 4 vcpus on 2 physical cpus/cores. What is the 
> recommendation for best performance? I would imagine a one to one ie. 
> 2 vcpus on 2 cores/cpus?
>
>

Yes, 1:1 (or less) is best.  Overcommitting cpus will definitely degrade 
performance drastically.


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Re: windows 2003 smp guest

[Haydn Solomon]

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On 9/18/07, Avi Kivity <avi-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>
> Haydn Solomon wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 9/18/07, *Avi Kivity* <avi-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org <mailto:avi-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >     It's working will with -no-kvm-irqchip.  Not so sure without the
> >     switch,
> >     but we're improving things.
> >
> >     I haven't tested performance very thoroughly.  What's your workload?
> >
> >
> > My workload medium to high. Running full cisco labs using cisco
> emulator.
>
> Well, no idea what that is.



Didn't think you would as this is more on the networking side.  You may find
it interesting as it actually an emulator emulating mips architecture (
which cisco ios runs on ) on x86. You can check it out at
http://www.ipflow.utc.fr/index.php/Cisco_7200_Simulator if you care to.

>
> >
> >
> >     Good question.  What HALs are available for Windows 2003 SMP?
> >
> >
> > The following are available...
> >
> > acpi multiprocessor pc
> > acpi uniprocessor pc
> > acpi pc
> > mps uniprocessor pc
> > mps multiprocessor pc
> > standard pc
> > other
> >
> >
>
> mps multiprocessor may give the best performance, though I've never
> tested it.



I'll try this and provide some feedback.

>     --
> >     error compiling committee.c: too many arguments to function
> >
> >
> >
> > One other question. I'm doing this a core 2 duo and am wondering about
> > number vcpu. I know xen for example can have more vcpus than physical
> > cpus, example 4 vcpus on 2 physical cpus/cores. What is the
> > recommendation for best performance? I would imagine a one to one ie.
> > 2 vcpus on 2 cores/cpus?
> >
> >
>
> Yes, 1:1 (or less) is best.  Overcommitting cpus will definitely degrade
> performance drastically.



ok.

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Re: windows 2003 smp guest

[Haydn Solomon]

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>
> > >
> > >
> > >     Good question.  What HALs are available for Windows 2003 SMP?
> > >
> > >
> > > The following are available...
> > >
> > > acpi multiprocessor pc
> > > acpi uniprocessor pc
> > > acpi pc
> > > mps uniprocessor pc
> > > mps multiprocessor pc
> > > standard pc
> > > other
> > >
> > >
> >
> > mps multiprocessor may give the best performance, though I've never
> > tested it.
>
>
>
> I'll try this and provide some feedback.
>


First attempt at this and qemu process hung during install.. it went to
sleep and never woke up. Any suggestions on what to try next?  My parameters
for install were as follows:

/usr/local/kvm/bin/qemu-system-x86_64 \
-hda server2k3r2smp.img \
-m 512 \
-no-rtc \
-localtime \
-smp 2 \
-no-kvm-irqchip \
-net nic,model=rtl8139 \
-net user \
-boot d \
-cdrom /home/hsolomon/isos/en_win_srv_2003_r2_enterprise_cd1.iso &

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Re: windows 2003 smp guest

[Avi Kivity]

Haydn Solomon wrote:
>
>
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         >     Good question.  What HALs are available for Windows 2003 SMP?
>         >
>         >
>         > The following are available...
>         >
>         > acpi multiprocessor pc
>         > acpi uniprocessor pc
>         > acpi pc
>         > mps uniprocessor pc
>         > mps multiprocessor pc
>         > standard pc
>         > other
>         >
>         >
>
>         mps multiprocessor may give the best performance, though I've
>         never
>         tested it.
>
>
>
>     I'll try this and provide some feedback.
>
>
>
> First attempt at this and qemu process hung during install.. it went 
> to sleep and never woke up. Any suggestions on what to try next?  My 
> parameters for install were as follows:
>
> /usr/local/kvm/bin/qemu-system-x86_64 \
> -hda server2k3r2smp.img \
> -m 512 \
> -no-rtc \
> -localtime \
> -smp 2 \
> -no-kvm-irqchip \
> -net nic,model=rtl8139 \
> -net user \
> -boot d \
> -cdrom /home/hsolomon/isos/en_win_srv_2003_r2_enterprise_cd1.iso &
>
>

I'll just have to debug this.  Looks like no one tried it before.

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Re: windows 2003 smp guest

[Haydn Solomon]

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Many thanks.

On 9/18/07, Avi Kivity <avi-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>
> Haydn Solomon wrote:
> >
> >
> >         >
> >         >
> >         >
> >         >     Good question.  What HALs are available for Windows 2003
> SMP?
> >         >
> >         >
> >         > The following are available...
> >         >
> >         > acpi multiprocessor pc
> >         > acpi uniprocessor pc
> >         > acpi pc
> >         > mps uniprocessor pc
> >         > mps multiprocessor pc
> >         > standard pc
> >         > other
> >         >
> >         >
> >
> >         mps multiprocessor may give the best performance, though I've
> >         never
> >         tested it.
> >
> >
> >
> >     I'll try this and provide some feedback.
> >
> >
> >
> > First attempt at this and qemu process hung during install.. it went
> > to sleep and never woke up. Any suggestions on what to try next?  My
> > parameters for install were as follows:
> >
> > /usr/local/kvm/bin/qemu-system-x86_64 \
> > -hda server2k3r2smp.img \
> > -m 512 \
> > -no-rtc \
> > -localtime \
> > -smp 2 \
> > -no-kvm-irqchip \
> > -net nic,model=rtl8139 \
> > -net user \
> > -boot d \
> > -cdrom /home/hsolomon/isos/en_win_srv_2003_r2_enterprise_cd1.iso &
> >
> >
>
> I'll just have to debug this.  Looks like no one tried it before.
>
> --
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>
>

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Re: windows 2003 smp guest

[He, Qing]

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>Sent: 2007年9月18日 22:06
>To: Haydn Solomon
>Cc: kvm-devel
>Subject: Re: [kvm-devel] windows 2003 smp guest
>
>Haydn Solomon wrote:
>> I am interested in installing smp windows 2003 server guest and have
>> some questions.
>>
>> 1.  Is windows smp guest working and performing well at this point in kvm?
>
>It's working will with -no-kvm-irqchip.  Not so sure without the switch,
>but we're improving things.
>
>I haven't tested performance very thoroughly.  What's your workload?

It's also working well on my side if the option is not presented :-)

>
>> 2.  If question 1 above is true, then what HAL should I choose during
>> installation and what other flags should I use when running it?
>>
>
>Good question.  What HALs are available for Windows 2003 SMP?

I'm using ACPI multiprocessor HAL, don't know how MPS multiprocessor HAL works.

>
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Re: windows 2003 smp guest

[Haydn Solomon]

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I'm going to try the acpi multiprocessor HAL and see how that works. What
kind of performance do you get with it?

On 9/18/07, He, Qing <qing.he-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>
>
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: kvm-devel-bounces-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org
> >[mailto:kvm-devel-bounces-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Avi Kivity
> >Sent: 2007年9月18日 22:06
> >To: Haydn Solomon
> >Cc: kvm-devel
> >Subject: Re: [kvm-devel] windows 2003 smp guest
> >
> >Haydn Solomon wrote:
> >> I am interested in installing smp windows 2003 server guest and have
> >> some questions.
> >>
> >> 1.  Is windows smp guest working and performing well at this point in
> kvm?
> >
> >It's working will with -no-kvm-irqchip.  Not so sure without the switch,
> >but we're improving things.
> >
> >I haven't tested performance very thoroughly.  What's your workload?
>
> It's also working well on my side if the option is not presented :-)
>
> >
> >> 2.  If question 1 above is true, then what HAL should I choose during
> >> installation and what other flags should I use when running it?
> >>
> >
> >Good question.  What HALs are available for Windows 2003 SMP?
>
> I'm using ACPI multiprocessor HAL, don't know how MPS multiprocessor HAL
> works.
>
> >
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Re: windows 2003 smp guest

[Haydn Solomon]

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I have a question on guest smp performance. If I have a host with core 2
duo, should a kvm guest perform better using -smp 2 as opposed to not using
-smp 2?

On 9/18/07, Haydn Solomon <haydn.solomon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>
> I'm going to try the acpi multiprocessor HAL and see how that works. What
> kind of performance do you get with it?
>
> On 9/18/07, He, Qing < qing.he-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: kvm-devel-bounces-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org
> > >[mailto:kvm-devel-bounces-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Avi
> > Kivity
> > >Sent: 2007年9月18日 22:06
> > >To: Haydn Solomon
> > >Cc: kvm-devel
> > >Subject: Re: [kvm-devel] windows 2003 smp guest
> > >
> > >Haydn Solomon wrote:
> > >> I am interested in installing smp windows 2003 server guest and have
> > >> some questions.
> > >>
> > >> 1.  Is windows smp guest working and performing well at this point in
> > kvm?
> > >
> > >It's working will with -no-kvm-irqchip.  Not so sure without the
> > switch,
> > >but we're improving things.
> > >
> > >I haven't tested performance very thoroughly.  What's your workload?
> >
> > It's also working well on my side if the option is not presented :-)
> >
> > >
> > >> 2.  If question 1 above is true, then what HAL should I choose during
> >
> > >> installation and what other flags should I use when running it?
> > >>
> > >
> > >Good question.  What HALs are available for Windows 2003 SMP?
> >
> > I'm using ACPI multiprocessor HAL, don't know how MPS multiprocessor HAL
> > works.
> >
> > >
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Re: windows 2003 smp guest

[Dor Laor]

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Haydn Solomon wrote:
> I have a question on guest smp performance. If I have a host with core
> 2 duo, should a kvm guest perform better using -smp 2 as opposed to
> not using -smp 2?
>
Well, it depends:
In general Avi measured 40% performance increase for using a second cpu
in the guest. This was long time ago,
before the in-kernel-apic implementation. It might improve the gain of
the additional cpu.

On the other hand, for 32 bit windows, using ACPI HAL has pretty big
overhead at the moment. Since it is a must
for smp guest, it might be slower than running non-acpi single cpu VM.

My guess is that you better use -smp 2.
Dor.
> On 9/18/07, *Haydn Solomon* <haydn.solomon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org
> <mailto:haydn.solomon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>> wrote:
>
>     I'm going to try the acpi multiprocessor HAL and see how that
>     works. What kind of performance do you get with it?
>
>
>     On 9/18/07, * He, Qing* < qing.he-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org
>     <mailto:qing.he-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>> wrote:
>
>
>
>         >-----Original Message-----
>         >From: kvm-devel-bounces-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org
>         <mailto:kvm-devel-bounces-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org>
>         >[mailto:kvm-devel-bounces-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org
>         <mailto:kvm-devel-bounces-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org>] On Behalf Of
>         Avi Kivity
>         >Sent: 2007年9月18日 22:06
>         >To: Haydn Solomon
>         >Cc: kvm-devel
>         >Subject: Re: [kvm-devel] windows 2003 smp guest
>         >
>         >Haydn Solomon wrote:
>         >> I am interested in installing smp windows 2003 server guest
>         and have
>         >> some questions.
>         >>
>         >> 1.Is windows smp guest working and performing well at this
>         point in kvm?
>         >
>         >It's working will with -no-kvm-irqchip.Not so sure without the
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>         >> 2.If question 1 above is true, then what HAL should I choose
>         during
>         >> installation and what other flags should I use when running it?
>         >>
>         >
>         >Good question.What HALs are available for Windows 2003 SMP?
>
>         I'm using ACPI multiprocessor HAL, don't know how MPS
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Re: windows 2003 smp guest

[Farkas Levente]

Dor Laor wrote:
> Haydn Solomon wrote:
>> I have a question on guest smp performance. If I have a host with core
>> 2 duo, should a kvm guest perform better using -smp 2 as opposed to
>> not using -smp 2?
>>
> Well, it depends:
> In general Avi measured 40% performance increase for using a second cpu
> in the guest. This was long time ago,
> before the in-kernel-apic implementation. It might improve the gain of
> the additional cpu.
> 
> On the other hand, for 32 bit windows, using ACPI HAL has pretty big
> overhead at the moment. Since it is a must
> for smp guest, it might be slower than running non-acpi single cpu VM.

can you tell me what does the HAL means here? and what's kind of HAL
exists what are the advantage/disadvantages them. how can i
change/configure this?

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Re: windows 2003 smp guest

[Luca]

On 9/20/07, Farkas Levente <lfarkas-lWVWdrzSO4GHXe+LvDLADg@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> Dor Laor wrote:
> > Haydn Solomon wrote:
> >> I have a question on guest smp performance. If I have a host with core
> >> 2 duo, should a kvm guest perform better using -smp 2 as opposed to
> >> not using -smp 2?
> >>
> > Well, it depends:
> > In general Avi measured 40% performance increase for using a second cpu
> > in the guest. This was long time ago,
> > before the in-kernel-apic implementation. It might improve the gain of
> > the additional cpu.
> >
> > On the other hand, for 32 bit windows, using ACPI HAL has pretty big
> > overhead at the moment. Since it is a must
> > for smp guest, it might be slower than running non-acpi single cpu VM.
>
> can you tell me what does the HAL means here? and what's kind of HAL
> exists what are the advantage/disadvantages them. how can i
> change/configure this?

Hardware Abstraction Layer. See:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/99588
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Architecture_of_Windows_NT

Luca

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Re: windows 2003 smp guest

[Farkas Levente]

Luca wrote:
> On 9/20/07, Farkas Levente <lfarkas-lWVWdrzSO4GHXe+LvDLADg@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>> Dor Laor wrote:
>>> Haydn Solomon wrote:
>>>> I have a question on guest smp performance. If I have a host with core
>>>> 2 duo, should a kvm guest perform better using -smp 2 as opposed to
>>>> not using -smp 2?
>>>>
>>> Well, it depends:
>>> In general Avi measured 40% performance increase for using a second cpu
>>> in the guest. This was long time ago,
>>> before the in-kernel-apic implementation. It might improve the gain of
>>> the additional cpu.
>>>
>>> On the other hand, for 32 bit windows, using ACPI HAL has pretty big
>>> overhead at the moment. Since it is a must
>>> for smp guest, it might be slower than running non-acpi single cpu VM.
>> can you tell me what does the HAL means here? and what's kind of HAL
>> exists what are the advantage/disadvantages them. how can i
>> change/configure this?
> 
> Hardware Abstraction Layer. See:
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/99588
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Architecture_of_Windows_NT

but if it's part of the windows, how can a user of kvm can change or use
different version? or windows itself has more hal inside and if we run
single cpu versus smp kvm for windows the use different hal? and what
other hel can be indirectly selected by this way?

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Re: windows 2003 smp guest

[Gildas]

2007/9/20, Farkas Levente <lfarkas-lWVWdrzSO4GHXe+LvDLADg@public.gmane.org>:
> >> can you tell me what does the HAL means here? and what's kind of HAL
> >> exists what are the advantage/disadvantages them. how can i
> >> change/configure this?
> >
> > Hardware Abstraction Layer. See:
> > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/99588
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Architecture_of_Windows_NT
>
> but if it's part of the windows, how can a user of kvm can change or use
> different version? or windows itself has more hal inside and if we run
> single cpu versus smp kvm for windows the use different hal? and what
> other hel can be indirectly selected by this way?

http://kvm.qumranet.com/kvmwiki/Windows_ACPI_Workaround

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Re: windows 2003 smp guest

[He, Qing]

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From: Dor Laor [mailto:dor.laor-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org] 
Sent: 2007年9月21日 5:09
To: Haydn Solomon
Cc: He, Qing; kvm-devel; Avi Kivity
Subject: Re: [kvm-devel] windows 2003 smp guest

 

Haydn Solomon wrote: 

I have a question on guest smp performance. If I have a host with core 2 duo, should a kvm guest perform better using -smp 2 as opposed to not using -smp 2?

Well, it depends:
In general Avi measured 40% performance increase for using a second cpu in the guest. This was long time ago,
before the in-kernel-apic implementation. It might improve the gain of the additional cpu.

On the other hand, for 32 bit windows, using ACPI HAL has pretty big overhead at the moment. Since it is a must
for smp guest, it might be slower than running non-acpi single cpu VM.

My guess is that you better use -smp 2.
Dor.



On 9/18/07, Haydn Solomon <haydn.solomon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: 

I'm going to try the acpi multiprocessor HAL and see how that works. What kind of performance do you get with it? 

 

On 9/18/07, He, Qing < qing.he-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org <mailto:qing.he-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> > wrote: 



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>Sent: 2007年9月18日 22:06
>To: Haydn Solomon 
>Cc: kvm-devel
>Subject: Re: [kvm-devel] windows 2003 smp guest
>
>Haydn Solomon wrote:
>> I am interested in installing smp windows 2003 server guest and have
>> some questions. 
>>
>> 1.  Is windows smp guest working and performing well at this point in kvm?
>
>It's working will with -no-kvm-irqchip.  Not so sure without the switch,
>but we're improving things. 
>
>I haven't tested performance very thoroughly.  What's your workload?

It's also working well on my side if the option is not presented :-)

>
>> 2.  If question 1 above is true, then what HAL should I choose during 
>> installation and what other flags should I use when running it?
>>
>
>Good question.  What HALs are available for Windows 2003 SMP?

I'm using ACPI multiprocessor HAL, don't know how MPS multiprocessor HAL works. 

>
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Re: windows 2003 smp guest

[He, Qing]

Dor Laor wrote:
> Haydn Solomon wrote: 
> I have a question on guest smp performance. If I have a host with core
2 duo, should > a kvm guest perform better using -smp 2 as opposed to
not using -smp 2?
> Well, it depends:
> In general Avi measured 40% performance increase for using a second
cpu in the guest. This was long time ago,
> before the in-kernel-apic implementation. It might improve the gain of
the additional cpu.

> On the other hand, for 32 bit windows, using ACPI HAL has pretty big
overhead at the moment. Since it is a must
> for smp guest, it might be slower than running non-acpi single cpu VM.


It is possible that 64 bit SMP windows have much less overhead than 32
bit, e.g if the processors are later than Core 2

> My guess is that you better use -smp 2.
> Dor.

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Re: windows 2003 smp guest

[Haydn Solomon]

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Hi Avi,

Thanks for release 44. With release 44 I was able to do the following.

1. install windows 2003 enterprise server and selected ACPI Multiprocessor
HAL. However I didn't use -smp 2 during install but i don't think this
matters, does it? The parameters used during install were

/usr/local/kvm/bin/qemu-system-x86_64 \
-hda server2k3r2smp.img \
-m 512 \
-no-rtc \
-localtime \
-net nic,model=rtl8139 \
-net user \
-boot d \
-cdrom /home/hsolomon/isos/en_win_srv_2003_r2_enterprise_cd1.iso &



2.  After successful install I then booted machine using -smp 2 ( Host is an
intel core 2 duo ).  What I noticed is high cpu usage. Attached is a
screenshot showing host system monitor as well as virtual machine system
monitor. There's a process called "SYSTEM" in windows that hogging cpu.
Sometimes the machines dies since installing usb tablet so not sure if this
has anything to do with it.

Attached is screenshot showing load. Is there anything I can do to reduce?
Thanks.

Haydn

On 9/20/07, He, Qing <qing.he-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>
>
>
> Dor Laor wrote:
> > Haydn Solomon wrote:
> > I have a question on guest smp performance. If I have a host with core
> 2 duo, should > a kvm guest perform better using -smp 2 as opposed to
> not using -smp 2?
> > Well, it depends:
> > In general Avi measured 40% performance increase for using a second
> cpu in the guest. This was long time ago,
> > before the in-kernel-apic implementation. It might improve the gain of
> the additional cpu.
>
> > On the other hand, for 32 bit windows, using ACPI HAL has pretty big
> overhead at the moment. Since it is a must
> > for smp guest, it might be slower than running non-acpi single cpu VM.
>
>
> It is possible that 64 bit SMP windows have much less overhead than 32
> bit, e.g if the processors are later than Core 2
>
> > My guess is that you better use -smp 2.
> > Dor.
>

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