From: Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: Avi Kivity <avi-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: kvm-devel
<kvm-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org>,
Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy-TSDbQ3PG+2Y@public.gmane.org>,
Hollis Blanchard
<hollisb-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC] Paravirt timer for KVM
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 11:56:39 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <47133957.20508@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <47132DCF.3060906-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
Avi Kivity wrote:
> Gerd Hoffmann wrote:
>>
>>> 2) the TSC would have to be used as a clocksource. You don't know the
>>> frequency which is the first problem with using the TSC but some systems
>>> have a TSC that changes frequencies.
>>>
>> Also note the tsc may stop ticking if the CPU goes sleep in C3, which
>> IMHO makes the tsc almost useless as clocksource for guests ...
>
> But the host knows that, right? So it can update the guest's timebase?
Host should know. Well, I hope. Dunno whenever one really can be sure
in all cases given all the different CPUs and tsc implementations.
With VT you can attempt to make that invisible to the guest using the
tsc offset field. Probably svm can do that too (didn't check docs
though). kvm-lite can't (what is the status btw?). Xen "solves" that
by not doing power management *evil grin*.
Nevertheless it is probably much easier to go with pv timers (or maybe
emulate hpet timers).
cheers,
Gerd
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2007-10-12 16:08 [RFC] Paravirt timer for KVM Glauber de Oliveira Costa
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2007-10-12 18:10 ` Anthony Liguori
[not found] ` <470FB8AB.9030101-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-15 16:58 ` Glauber de Oliveira Costa
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2007-10-15 17:07 ` Avi Kivity
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2007-10-15 18:09 ` Glauber de Oliveira Costa
[not found] ` <5d6222a80710151109m5376449foc6be5b687c469a2b-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-16 7:31 ` Avi Kivity
2007-10-12 18:39 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
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2007-10-12 18:58 ` Anthony Liguori
2007-10-15 17:15 ` Glauber de Oliveira Costa
2007-10-12 19:48 ` Hollis Blanchard
2007-10-12 20:02 ` Anthony Liguori
[not found] ` <470FD2CA.1000702-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-12 21:55 ` Hollis Blanchard
2007-10-12 22:07 ` Anthony Liguori
[not found] ` <470FF036.6080803-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-15 4:04 ` Dong, Eddie
[not found] ` <10EA09EFD8728347A513008B6B0DA77A023A6DCE-wq7ZOvIWXbNpB2pF5aRoyrfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-15 16:01 ` Hollis Blanchard
2007-10-15 16:47 ` Avi Kivity
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2007-10-15 23:05 ` Hollis Blanchard
2007-10-16 8:15 ` Gerd Hoffmann
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2007-10-16 10:27 ` Avi Kivity
2007-10-16 9:45 ` Avi Kivity
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2007-10-16 10:03 ` Dong, Eddie
2007-10-15 17:52 ` Glauber de Oliveira Costa
[not found] ` <5d6222a80710151052j37f0561dn6dbb5b07f6f697d1-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-16 7:17 ` Avi Kivity
2007-10-15 17:38 ` Glauber de Oliveira Costa
2007-10-15 8:41 ` Gerd Hoffmann
[not found] ` <471327C7.8060304-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-15 9:07 ` Avi Kivity
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2007-10-15 9:56 ` Gerd Hoffmann [this message]
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2007-10-15 10:14 ` Gildas
2007-10-15 11:02 ` Carsten Otte
[not found] ` <471348B1.30300-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-15 16:31 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-10-15 18:03 ` Glauber de Oliveira Costa
2007-10-15 18:00 ` Glauber de Oliveira Costa
[not found] ` <5d6222a80710151100p63e8e9aata79b006b43f6c37e-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-16 7:20 ` Avi Kivity
2007-10-16 7:40 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2007-10-15 17:53 ` Glauber de Oliveira Costa
[not found] ` <5d6222a80710151029y288fc65bs3d325d5c8d1f039c@mail.gmail.com>
[not found] ` <1192489814.22523.36.camel@basalt>
2007-10-16 1:26 ` Glauber de Oliveira Costa
2007-10-12 22:09 ` Hollis Blanchard
2007-10-15 17:48 ` Glauber de Oliveira Costa
[not found] ` <5d6222a80710151048t22e747l42106a6507c811c6-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-15 22:54 ` Hollis Blanchard
2007-10-16 1:15 ` Glauber de Oliveira Costa
[not found] ` <5d6222a80710151815m2330c8b7ocf4fc352954a551c-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-16 9:47 ` Avi Kivity
2007-10-16 7:14 ` Avi Kivity
2007-10-16 8:41 ` Dong, Eddie
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