From: Avi Kivity <avi-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
To: Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka-kv7WeFo6aLtBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
Cc: kvm-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: High vm-exit latencies during kvm boot-up/shutdown
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 11:25:37 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4721B291.9050904@qumranet.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4721AD49.7010405-kv7WeFo6aLtBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
Jan Kiszka wrote:
> Dong, Eddie wrote:
>
>> Avi Kivity wrote:
>>
>>> Dong, Eddie wrote:
>>>
>>>>> There's a two-liner required to make it work. I'll add it soon.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> But you still needs to issue WBINVD to all pCPUs which just move
>>>> non-response time from one place to another, not?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> You don't actually need to emulate wbinvd, you can just ignore it.
>>>
>>> The only reason I can think of to use wbinvd is if you're taking a cpu
>>> down (for a deep sleep state, or if you're shutting it off). A guest
>>> need not do that.
>>>
>>> Any other reason? dma? all dma today is cache-coherent, no?
>>>
>>>
>> For legacy PCI device, yes it is cache-cohetent, but for PCIe devices,
>> it is no longer a must. A PCIe device may not generate snoopy cycle
>> and thus require OS to flush cache.
>>
>> For example, a guest with direct device, say audio, can copy
>> data to dma buffer and then wbinvd to flush cache out and ask HW
>> DMA to output.
>>
>
> So if you want the higher performance of PCIe you need
> performance-killing wbindv (not to speak of latency)? That sounds a bit
> contradictory to me. So this is also true for native PCIe usage?
>
>
Yes, good point. wbinvd is not only expensive in that it takes a long
time to execute, it blows your caches so that anything that executes
afterwards takes a huge hit.
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2007-10-22 23:09 High vm-exit latencies during kvm boot-up/shutdown Jan Kiszka
[not found] ` <471D2D8C.1080202-S0/GAf8tV78@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-23 1:05 ` Dong, Eddie
[not found] ` <10EA09EFD8728347A513008B6B0DA77A02441127-wq7ZOvIWXbNpB2pF5aRoyrfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-23 6:38 ` Jan Kiszka
[not found] ` <471D96DC.7070809-S0/GAf8tV78@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-23 7:46 ` Dong, Eddie
[not found] ` <10EA09EFD8728347A513008B6B0DA77A024414D9-wq7ZOvIWXbNpB2pF5aRoyrfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-23 9:08 ` Jan Kiszka
[not found] ` <471DBA1A.2080108-S0/GAf8tV78@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-23 9:46 ` Avi Kivity
[not found] ` <471DC311.2050003-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-23 13:30 ` Jan Kiszka
[not found] ` <471DF76B.7040001-kv7WeFo6aLtBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-23 14:19 ` Avi Kivity
[not found] ` <471E02F7.6080408-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-23 14:41 ` Jan Kiszka
[not found] ` <471E0818.6060405-kv7WeFo6aLtBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-23 14:44 ` Jan Kiszka
2007-10-23 15:26 ` Avi Kivity
[not found] ` <471E1290.2000208-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-23 15:59 ` Jan Kiszka
[not found] ` <471E1A77.90808-kv7WeFo6aLtBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-23 16:14 ` Avi Kivity
[not found] ` <471E1DCD.5040301-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-23 16:31 ` Jan Kiszka
[not found] ` <471E21D7.3000309-kv7WeFo6aLtBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-23 16:38 ` Avi Kivity
[not found] ` <471E238E.6040005-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-23 16:56 ` Jan Kiszka
[not found] ` <471E27B0.1090001-kv7WeFo6aLtBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-23 17:05 ` Avi Kivity
[not found] ` <471E29C5.1060807-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-24 8:37 ` Jan Kiszka
[not found] ` <471F0464.4000704-kv7WeFo6aLtBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-24 8:52 ` Avi Kivity
[not found] ` <471F07C0.8040104-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-24 9:16 ` Jan Kiszka
[not found] ` <471F0D57.3020209-kv7WeFo6aLtBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-24 9:33 ` Avi Kivity
[not found] ` <471F116D.9080903-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-24 16:22 ` Jan Kiszka
[not found] ` <471F7143.8040406-kv7WeFo6aLtBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-24 16:52 ` Avi Kivity
[not found] ` <471F7865.7070506-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-25 17:50 ` Jan Kiszka
[not found] ` <4720D76D.7070300-kv7WeFo6aLtBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-25 18:02 ` Avi Kivity
[not found] ` <4720DA42.6090300-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-26 1:41 ` Dong, Eddie
[not found] ` <10EA09EFD8728347A513008B6B0DA77A02482827-wq7ZOvIWXbNpB2pF5aRoyrfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-26 8:20 ` Avi Kivity
[not found] ` <4721A350.7030409-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-26 8:32 ` Dong, Eddie
[not found] ` <10EA09EFD8728347A513008B6B0DA77A02482B96-wq7ZOvIWXbNpB2pF5aRoyrfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-26 9:03 ` Jan Kiszka
[not found] ` <4721AD49.7010405-kv7WeFo6aLtBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-26 9:18 ` Dong, Eddie
[not found] ` <10EA09EFD8728347A513008B6B0DA77A02482BE4-wq7ZOvIWXbNpB2pF5aRoyrfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-26 9:37 ` Dor Laor
2007-10-26 12:21 ` Avi Kivity
[not found] ` <4721DBE4.6040801-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-29 8:32 ` Dong, Eddie
2007-10-26 9:25 ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2007-10-26 9:18 ` Avi Kivity
[not found] ` <4721B0FD.9020006-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-26 9:36 ` Dong, Eddie
[not found] ` <10EA09EFD8728347A513008B6B0DA77A02482BFE-wq7ZOvIWXbNpB2pF5aRoyrfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-26 9:58 ` Avi Kivity
2007-10-23 14:43 ` Gregory Haskins
[not found] ` <1193150619.8343.21.camel-5CR4LY5GPkvLDviKLk5550HKjMygAv58XqFh9Ls21Oc@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-23 14:50 ` Jan Kiszka
2007-10-23 8:16 ` Avi Kivity
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