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From: Avi Kivity <avi-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
To: Dan Hecht <dhecht-pghWNbHTmq7QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Zachary Amsden <zach-pghWNbHTmq7QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	jeremy-TSDbQ3PG+2Y@public.gmane.org,
	avi-i/T1Zxg06OZWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org,
	kvm-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org,
	Glauber de Oliveira Costa
	<glauber-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Glauber de Oliveira Costa
	<gcosta-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	--cc-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org,
	Garrett Smith <garrett-pghWNbHTmq7QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] raise tsc clocksource rating
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 06:24:56 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4726B218.8010101@qumranet.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <47266B90.8000008-pghWNbHTmq7QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>

Dan Hecht wrote:
> Not really.  In the case hardware TSC is perfect, the paravirt time 
> counter can be implemented directly in terms of hardware TSC; there is 
> no loss in optimization.  This is done transparently.  And virtual TSC 
> can be implemented this way too.
>
> The real improvement that a paravirt clocksource offers over the TSC 
> clocksource is that the guest does not need to measure the TSC frequency 
> itself against some other constant frequency source (which is 
> problematic on a virtual machine).  Instead, the paravirt clocksource 
> queries the hypervisor for the frequency of the counter.  As you know, 
> with clocksource style kernels, it's important to get this frequency 
> correct, or else the guest will have long-term time drift.
>
>   

In addition, a paravirt clocksource can compensate for events like vcpu 
migration to another host cpu.  So I agree: a paravirt clocksource is 
always better than or equal to the tsc.


-- 
Any sufficiently difficult bug is indistinguishable from a feature.


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-10-30  4:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-10-29 23:10 [PATCH] raise tsc clocksource rating Glauber de Oliveira Costa
     [not found] ` <11936994092607-git-send-email-gcosta-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-29 22:17   ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-10-29 22:36     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-10-30  1:26     ` john stultz
     [not found]     ` <alpine.LFD.0.9999.0710292315280.3186-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-30  2:39       ` Rusty Russell
     [not found]         ` <200710301339.23628.rusty-8n+1lVoiYb80n/F98K4Iww@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-30  7:37           ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]             ` <20071030073736.GA21843-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-30 10:52               ` Rusty Russell
2007-10-30 12:13               ` Glauber de Oliveira Costa
2007-10-29 22:42   ` Zachary Amsden
     [not found]     ` <1193697734.9793.86.camel-cxY/u30q8FloTgUnLF1by8fTvwmfpRNyZeezCHUQhQ4@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-29 22:45       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-10-29 22:48     ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]       ` <20071029224852.GA27547-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-29 22:52         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-10-29 22:55           ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]             ` <20071029225528.GA31293-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-29 23:17               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
     [not found]                 ` <47266A00.4040408-TSDbQ3PG+2Y@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-29 23:21                   ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]                     ` <20071029232140.GA10518-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-29 23:33                       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-10-30  0:45                     ` Ian Pratt
     [not found]                       ` <8A87A9A84C201449A0C56B728ACF491E34C5F5-sZfJFUT1i4lUWNNKjvdVWtlxNDNUtst69dF7HbQ/qKg@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-30  7:19                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-10-29 22:55         ` Zachary Amsden
2007-10-29 23:02           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-10-29 23:13             ` Zachary Amsden
     [not found]               ` <1193699638.9793.97.camel-cxY/u30q8FloTgUnLF1by8fTvwmfpRNyZeezCHUQhQ4@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-29 23:17                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-10-30 12:02                 ` Glauber de Oliveira Costa
     [not found]                   ` <47271D4A.8030707-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-30 17:58                     ` Zachary Amsden
     [not found]             ` <20071029230213.GA1982-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-29 23:24               ` Dan Hecht
     [not found]                 ` <47266B90.8000008-pghWNbHTmq7QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-30  4:24                   ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2007-10-30  7:14                   ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]           ` <1193698505.9793.90.camel-cxY/u30q8FloTgUnLF1by8fTvwmfpRNyZeezCHUQhQ4@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-30 11:59             ` Glauber de Oliveira Costa
2007-10-30  0:17   ` H. Peter Anvin

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