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From: Carsten Otte <cotte-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: Arnd Bergmann <arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
Cc: carsteno-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org,
	Christian Borntraeger
	<CBORNTRA-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Hollis Blanchard
	<hollisb-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	kvm-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org,
	Avi Kivity <avi-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>,
	carsteno-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org,
	Martin Schwidefsky
	<martin.schwidefsky-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	"Zhang,
	 Xiantao" <xiantao.zhang-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: RFC/patch portability: split kvm_vm_ioctl v3
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 10:46:42 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <472EE682.9000202@de.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200711051031.10846.arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>

Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> On Monday 05 November 2007, Carsten Otte wrote:
>> Dong, Eddie wrote:
>>>> BTW, why we use vector here? shouldn't it be irq_line or irq_no?
>>> Maybe you mean the Channel Subsystem (1st piece of knowledge and 
>>> surprise known from s390 doc)  are emulated in Qemu, correct?
>> The vector field was introduced by Avi's comment. I just copied that 
>> over.
>> On s390, we only have irq numbers, no vectors.
> 
> Actually, you have neither irq numbers nor vectors on s390 right now.
> I/O subchannels are do not fit into the IRQ handling in Linux at
> all, and external interrupts are sufficiently different that you
> should not treat them as IRQ lines in Linux.
We're not emulating the I/O subsystem, and thus no I/O subchannels.

> However, I would suggest that you use either one external interrupt or
> the "thin" interrupt as an event source for an interrupt controller for
> all the virtio devices, and use the generic IRQ subsystem for that,
> including interrupt lines and vectors.
> 
> In case of the thin interrupt, your virtual interrupt controller would
> more or less just consist of one lowcore address from which you can
> read the pending interrupt vector after an interrupt has been caused,
> as well as a single hcall that does a 'acknowledge interrupt, get
> next pending irq vector into lowcore and tell me whether there was
> one' operation.
> 
> You'll also need an operation to associate a virtio device with an
> interrupt vector, but that belongs into virtio.

The irq subsystem does not fit the external interrupt model, and you'd 
definitely want to argue with Martin before suggesting to introduce 
the IRQ subsystem on s390. "Only over my dead body" was the last 
statement I do remember.
Plus I don't see a benefit from pretending to have an interrupt 
controller: virtio abstracts from this, and can well be implemented 
over extint and hypercall like Christian has done it. What's the 
problem you're trying to solve?

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-11-05  9:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-10-12 12:34 RFC/patch portability: split kvm_vm_ioctl Carsten Otte
     [not found] ` <1192192452.7630.16.camel-WIxn4w2hgUz3YA32ykw5MLlKpX0K8NHHQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-12 13:37   ` Arnd Bergmann
     [not found]     ` <200710121537.09238.arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-12 13:47       ` Carsten Otte
2007-10-12 15:08   ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]     ` <470F8DFD.6030205-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-13  7:31       ` Carsten Otte
2007-10-13  4:08   ` Zhang, Xiantao
     [not found]     ` <42DFA526FC41B1429CE7279EF83C6BDC808DB9-wq7ZOvIWXbMAbVU2wMM1CrfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-13  7:38       ` Carsten Otte
2007-10-13  7:47   ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]     ` <471077F9.8000703-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-13  7:52       ` Carsten Otte
2007-10-15  8:18       ` Carsten Otte
     [not found]         ` <47132260.9030606-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-15  8:30           ` Christian Ehrhardt
2007-10-15  8:32           ` Avi Kivity
2007-10-25 15:48   ` RFC/patch portability: split kvm_vm_ioctl v2 Carsten Otte
     [not found]     ` <1193327325.8345.9.camel-WIxn4w2hgUz3YA32ykw5MLlKpX0K8NHHQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-25 15:48       ` Izik Eidus
     [not found]         ` <1193327326.3284.2.camel-siXIhNkUrCXckEVJwWePHtCfPAL7FxvL@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-25 16:22           ` Hollis Blanchard
2007-10-25 16:42             ` Izik Eidus
2007-10-25 22:12             ` Izik Eidus
     [not found]               ` <472114B6.6080000-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-25 20:51                 ` [kvm-ppc-devel] " Hollis Blanchard
2007-10-25 22:58                   ` Izik Eidus
     [not found]                     ` <47211F86.1030504-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-26  0:19                       ` Izik Eidus
     [not found]                         ` <472132A4.604-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-26  8:17                           ` Carsten Otte
2007-10-26  8:12                   ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                     ` <4721A185.1070808-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-26  8:21                       ` Carsten Otte
     [not found]                         ` <4721A3A3.8020504-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-26  8:41                           ` Carsten Otte
     [not found]                             ` <4721A82A.2040402-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-26  9:22                               ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                                 ` <4721B1ED.6040006-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-26 10:30                                   ` Carsten Otte
     [not found]                                     ` <4721C1DB.3040207-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-26 10:36                                       ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                                         ` <4721C330.3030302-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-26 10:42                                           ` Carsten Otte
     [not found]                                             ` <4721C47E.30800-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-26 10:45                                               ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                                                 ` <4721C53E.1070507-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-26 11:45                                                   ` Carsten Otte
     [not found]                                                     ` <4721D344.2020508-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-26 11:47                                                       ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                                                         ` <4721D3C2.8090407-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-26 12:23                                                           ` Carsten Otte
     [not found]                                                             ` <4721DC5D.702-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-26 12:31                                                               ` Avi Kivity
2007-10-26  9:08                           ` Avi Kivity
2007-10-26 14:35                           ` Hollis Blanchard
2007-10-26 14:43                             ` Carsten Otte
     [not found]                               ` <4721FD2A.6070504-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-26 19:05                                 ` Izik Eidus
     [not found]                                   ` <47223A85.5020409-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-29  8:04                                     ` Carsten Otte
2007-10-27  7:59                             ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                               ` <4722EFE1.9060609-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-28  7:39                                 ` Zhang, Xiantao
     [not found]                                   ` <42DFA526FC41B1429CE7279EF83C6BDC8B512C-wq7ZOvIWXbMAbVU2wMM1CrfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-28  9:57                                     ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                                       ` <47245D27.5030105-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-29  8:01                                         ` Carsten Otte
     [not found]                                           ` <47259352.3010109-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-29  8:03                                             ` Izik Eidus
     [not found]                                               ` <1193644998.4484.8.camel-siXIhNkUrCXckEVJwWePHtCfPAL7FxvL@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-29  8:16                                                 ` Carsten Otte
2007-10-26  8:28                 ` Carsten Otte
2007-10-26  1:05       ` Zhang, Xiantao
     [not found]         ` <42DFA526FC41B1429CE7279EF83C6BDC85FD78-wq7ZOvIWXbMAbVU2wMM1CrfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-26 14:53           ` Carsten Otte
2007-10-26 12:01       ` RFC/patch portability: split kvm_vm_ioctl v3 Carsten Otte
     [not found]         ` <1193400099.10970.8.camel-WIxn4w2hgUz3YA32ykw5MLlKpX0K8NHHQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-26 18:32           ` Hollis Blanchard
2007-10-30 10:51           ` Dong, Eddie
     [not found]             ` <10EA09EFD8728347A513008B6B0DA77A024CEC4D-wq7ZOvIWXbNpB2pF5aRoyrfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-30 11:03               ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                 ` <47270F9E.5080007-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-30 11:27                   ` Dong, Eddie
     [not found]                     ` <10EA09EFD8728347A513008B6B0DA77A024CEC54-wq7ZOvIWXbNpB2pF5aRoyrfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-30 11:59                       ` Carsten Otte
     [not found]                         ` <47271C9B.1050804-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-30 12:15                           ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                             ` <4727204E.6000606-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-30 12:31                               ` Carsten Otte
     [not found]                                 ` <47272410.9020502-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-30 12:36                                   ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                                     ` <47272556.1030901-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-30 13:09                                       ` Carsten Otte
     [not found]                                         ` <47272D08.9080501-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-30 13:50                                           ` Avi Kivity
2007-10-30 15:02                                           ` Dong, Eddie
     [not found]                                             ` <10EA09EFD8728347A513008B6B0DA77A024CECA8-wq7ZOvIWXbNpB2pF5aRoyrfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-30 15:57                                               ` Carsten Otte
     [not found]                                                 ` <47275450.5010205-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-30 23:10                                                   ` Dong, Eddie
     [not found]                                                     ` <10EA09EFD8728347A513008B6B0DA77A024CECF4-wq7ZOvIWXbNpB2pF5aRoyrfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-31 14:21                                                       ` Dong, Eddie
     [not found]                                                         ` <10EA09EFD8728347A513008B6B0DA77A0250D495-wq7ZOvIWXbNpB2pF5aRoyrfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2007-11-05  9:00                                                           ` Carsten Otte
     [not found]                                                             ` <472EDBAF.30000-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-11-05  9:31                                                               ` Arnd Bergmann
     [not found]                                                                 ` <200711051031.10846.arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
2007-11-05  9:46                                                                   ` Carsten Otte [this message]
     [not found]                                                                     ` <472EE682.9000202-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-11-05 10:03                                                                       ` Arnd Bergmann
     [not found]                                                                         ` <200711051104.01061.arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
2007-11-05 10:31                                                                           ` Christian Borntraeger
2007-10-30 11:44                   ` Carsten Otte
     [not found]                     ` <47271927.9060602-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-30 11:52                       ` Avi Kivity
2007-10-30 11:29               ` Carsten Otte
     [not found]                 ` <472715A9.4050201-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-30 11:35                   ` Dong, Eddie
     [not found]                     ` <10EA09EFD8728347A513008B6B0DA77A024CEC59-wq7ZOvIWXbNpB2pF5aRoyrfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-30 12:18                       ` Carsten Otte

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