From: Anthony Liguori <aliguori-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: Avi Kivity <avi-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: kvm-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] virtio-blk PCI backend
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 10:22:17 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <473337B9.8040503@us.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <473328EC.4090905-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
Avi Kivity wrote:
>> There's no reason that the PIO operations couldn't be handled in the
>> kernel. You'll already need some level of cooperation in userspace
>> unless you plan on implementing the PCI bus in kernel space too.
>> It's easy enough in the pci_map function in QEMU to just notify the
>> kernel that it should listen on a particular PIO range.
>>
>>
>
> This is a config space write, right? If so, the range is the regular
> 0xcf8-0xcff and it has to be very specially handled.
This is a per-device IO slot and as best as I can tell, the PCI device
advertises the size of the region and the OS then identifies a range of
PIO space to use and tells the PCI device about it. So we would just
need to implement a generic userspace virtio PCI device in QEMU that did
an ioctl to the kernel when this happened to tell the kernel what region
to listen on for a particular device.
>> vmcalls will certainly get faster but I doubt that the cost
>> difference between vmcall and pio will ever be greater than a few
>> hundred cycles. The only performance sensitive operation here would
>> be the kick and I don't think a few hundred cycles in the kick path
>> is ever going to be that significant for overall performance.
>>
>>
>
> Why do you think the different will be a few hundred cycles?
The only difference in hardware between a PIO exit and a vmcall is that
you don't have write out an exit reason in the VMC[SB]. So the
performance difference between PIO/vmcall shouldn't be that great (and
if it were, the difference would probably be obvious today). That's
different from, say, a PF exit because with a PF, you also have to
attempt to resolve it by walking the guest page table before determining
that you do in fact need to exit.
> And if you have a large number of devices, searching the list
> becomes expensive too.
The PIO address space is relatively small. You could do a radix tree or
even a direct array lookup if you are concerned about performance.
>> So why introduce the extra complexity?
>>
>
> Overall I think it reduces comlexity if we have in-kernel devices.
> Anyway we can add additional signalling methods later.
In-kernel virtio backends add quite a lot of complexity. Just the
mechanism to setup the device is complicated enough. I suspect that
it'll be necessary down the road for performance but I certainly don't
think it's a simplification.
Regards,
Anthony Liguori
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Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-11-08 2:51 [RFC] virtio-blk PCI backend Anthony Liguori
[not found] ` <11944902733951-git-send-email-aliguori-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-11-08 6:24 ` Avi Kivity
[not found] ` <4732ABA0.5090603-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-11-08 13:57 ` Anthony Liguori
[not found] ` <473315DB.9030803-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-11-08 14:02 ` Avi Kivity
[not found] ` <4733170B.70206-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-11-08 15:09 ` Anthony Liguori
[not found] ` <473326B4.2080307-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-11-08 15:19 ` Avi Kivity
[not found] ` <473328EC.4090905-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-11-08 16:22 ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
[not found] ` <473337B9.8040503-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-11-09 0:13 ` Dor Laor
[not found] ` <4733A635.1080004-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-11-20 8:39 ` Christian Borntraeger
[not found] ` <200711200939.19410.borntraeger-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-11-20 10:00 ` Avi Kivity
[not found] ` <4742B053.8080301-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-11-20 10:17 ` Arnd Bergmann
[not found] ` <200711201117.17900.arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
2007-11-20 11:05 ` Carsten Otte
2007-11-11 9:23 ` Avi Kivity
2007-11-08 15:31 ` Avi Kivity
[not found] ` <47332BB7.2000900-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-11-08 19:02 ` Anthony Liguori
2007-11-09 0:25 ` Dor Laor
[not found] ` <4733A917.5000303-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-11-09 1:38 ` Anthony Liguori
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