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From: Avi Kivity <avi-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
To: Christoph Lameter <clameter-sJ/iWh9BUns@public.gmane.org>
Cc: kvm-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org,
	linux-mm-Bw31MaZKKs3YtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org,
	Daniel J Blueman
	<daniel.blueman-xqY44rlHlBpWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <andrea-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: mmu notifiers
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:39:31 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <478DB4B3.2000505@qumranet.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0801151011380.10265-RYO/mD75kfhx2SFC9UQUAuF7EQX82lMiAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>

Christoph Lameter wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Jan 2008, Avi Kivity wrote:
>
>   
>>> But each guest has its own page structs. They cannot share page structs.
>>> Concurrent access of two independent kernel instances for synchronization
>>> and status maintenance to a single page struct?
>>>   
>>>       
>> There's a host page struct (that the guest know nothing about and cannot
>> touch), and optionally a guest page struct for each guest (that the host and
>> the other guest know nothing about).
>>     
>
> Ok so if two linux guests want to share memory three page structs are 
> involved:
>
> 1. Host page struct
> 2. Guest #1 page struct
> 3. Guest #2 page struct
>
> I can understand that 1 and 2 point to the same physical page. Even all 
> three could point to the same page if the page is readonly. 
>
> However, lets say that Guest #1 allocates some anonymous memory and wants
> to share it with Guest #2. In that case something like PFNMAP is likely
> going to be used? Or are you remapping the physical page so that #1 and #2 
> share it? In that case two page struct describe state of the same physical
> page and we have no effective synchronization for writeback etc.
>
>   

Like I said, out of the box Linux doesn't support using memory that is 
shared with other instances as main memory.  One usage  (by the s390 
folk) was to put a read-only filesystem with execute-in-place support on 
this memory, and so reduce the memory usage of guests.

>> The host page struct may disappear if the host decides to swap the page into
>> its backing store and free the page.  The guest page structs (if any) would
>> remain.
>>     
>
> Page structs never disappear. The pte's may disappear and the page may be 
> unmapped from an address space of a process but the page struct stays. 
> Page struct can only disappear if memory hotplug is activated and memory 
> is taken out of the system.
>   

Yes, that was poorly phrased.  The page and its page struct may be 
reallocated for other purposes.

-- 
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-01-16  7:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-01-09 18:19 mmu notifiers Andrea Arcangeli
     [not found] ` <20080109181908.GS6958-lysg2Xt5kKMAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-09 21:54   ` Christoph Lameter
     [not found]     ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0801091352320.12335-RYO/mD75kfhx2SFC9UQUAuF7EQX82lMiAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-10 11:44       ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]         ` <47860512.3040607-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-10 13:16           ` Robin Holt
     [not found]             ` <20080110131612.GA1933-sJ/iWh9BUns@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-10 13:27               ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                 ` <47861D3C.6070709-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-10 14:50                   ` Robin Holt
2008-01-10 19:06                   ` Christoph Lameter
     [not found]                     ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0801101105210.20353-RYO/mD75kfhx2SFC9UQUAuF7EQX82lMiAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-12 19:56                       ` Avi Kivity
2008-01-10 19:04           ` Christoph Lameter
     [not found]             ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0801101103470.20353-RYO/mD75kfhx2SFC9UQUAuF7EQX82lMiAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-12 19:51               ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                 ` <47891A5C.8060907-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-13 12:09                   ` Robin Holt
     [not found]                     ` <20080113120939.GA3221-sJ/iWh9BUns@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-13 12:28                       ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                         ` <478A03D8.9050308-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-14 19:51                           ` Christoph Lameter
     [not found]                             ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0801141150010.8300-RYO/mD75kfhx2SFC9UQUAuF7EQX82lMiAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-15  7:43                               ` Avi Kivity
2008-01-14 19:49                   ` Christoph Lameter
     [not found]                     ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0801141148540.8300-RYO/mD75kfhx2SFC9UQUAuF7EQX82lMiAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-15  7:38                       ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                         ` <478C62F8.2070702-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-15 17:39                           ` Christoph Lameter
     [not found]                             ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0801150938260.9893-RYO/mD75kfhx2SFC9UQUAuF7EQX82lMiAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-15 17:53                               ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                                 ` <478CF30F.1010100-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-15 17:57                                   ` Christoph Lameter
     [not found]                                     ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0801150956040.10089-RYO/mD75kfhx2SFC9UQUAuF7EQX82lMiAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-15 18:06                                       ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                                         ` <478CF609.3090304-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-15 18:16                                           ` Christoph Lameter
     [not found]                                             ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0801151011380.10265-RYO/mD75kfhx2SFC9UQUAuF7EQX82lMiAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-16  7:39                                               ` Avi Kivity [this message]
     [not found]                                                 ` <478DB4B3.2000505-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-16 18:08                                                   ` Christoph Lameter

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