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From: Avi Kivity <avi@qumranet.com>
To: "Dong, Eddie" <eddie.dong@intel.com>
Cc: kvm-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: The SMP RHEL 5.1 PAE guest can't boot up issue
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 12:28:01 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <47C3E9B1.7040406@qumranet.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <10EA09EFD8728347A513008B6B0DA77A02CFD373@pdsmsx411.ccr.corp.intel.com>

Dong, Eddie wrote:
>>> I don't know if the patch was still needed now, since it was posted
>>> long ago(I don't know which issue it solved). I'd like to post a
>>> revert patch if necessary. 
>>>
>>>       
>> I believe the patch is still necessary, since we still need to
>> guarantee that a vcpu's tsc is monotonous.  I think there are three
>> issues to be addressed:
>>
>> 1. The majority of intel machines don't need the offset adjustment
>> since they already have a constant rate tsc that is synchronized on
>> all cpus. I think this is indicated by X86_FEATURE_CONSTANT_TSC
>> (though I'm not 100% certain if it means that the rate is the same
>> for all cpus, Thomas can you clarify?)
>>     
>
> So why not make the TSC_OFFSET adjustment conditional?
>   

Yes, that's what I meant.  We just need to be sure that this is what 
X86_FEATURE_CONSTANT_TSC means.

>   
>> This will improve tsc quality for those machines, but we can't depend
>> on it, since some machines don't have constant tsc.  Further, I don't
>> think really large machines can have constant tsc since clock
>> distribution becomes difficult or impossible.
>>     
>
> For NUMA machines, this is an issue, but depend on how you support
> NUMA. One way is to bind VCPUs of a guest to same node if guest is not
> NUMA, if this is the model, then we don't have issue. 
> I think Xen is planning in this way and it is same for KVM.
>
>
>   

This is a user decision, many small VMs or a few larger ones.  To 
support the "many small VMs", we need to be able to detect the tsc 
stability groups.  I don't think that's the same as NUMA nodes for 
processors with on-board memory controllers (where each processor is a 
node).

>> 2. We should implement round robin and lowest priority like qemu does.
>> Xen does the same thing:
>>
>>     
>>> /* HACK: Route IRQ0 only to VCPU0 to prevent time jumps. */
>>> #define IRQ0_SPECIAL_ROUTING 1
>>>       
>> in arch/x86/hvm/vioapic.c, at least for irq 0.
>>     
>
> We did same thing in Xen long time ago to avoid this issue.
> It helps but not perfect. 
>   

An equivalent hack is now in kvm as well.

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  reply	other threads:[~2008-02-26 10:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-02-22  8:57 The SMP RHEL 5.1 PAE guest can't boot up issue Yang, Sheng
2008-02-22 16:16 ` Avi Kivity
2008-02-22 17:17   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2008-02-22 18:45     ` Avi Kivity
2008-02-22 20:12       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2008-02-23 15:24   ` Farkas Levente
2008-02-24  8:51     ` Avi Kivity
2008-02-25  4:09       ` Yang, Sheng
2008-02-25 18:03       ` Farkas Levente
2008-02-25 18:12         ` Avi Kivity
2008-02-25 18:24           ` Farkas Levente
2008-02-25 23:46   ` Dong, Eddie
2008-02-26 10:28     ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2008-02-29  4:35       ` Zhao Forrest
2008-03-04 11:38       ` Avi Kivity
2008-02-29  8:26   ` Zhao Forrest

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