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From: Avi Kivity <avi@qumranet.com>
To: Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com>
Cc: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
	Mark McLoughlin <markmc@redhat.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/5] kvm: qemu: Use vringfd to eliminate copies
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 07:58:09 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <48567F81.4070801@qumranet.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4856728F.4020501@us.ibm.com>

Anthony Liguori wrote:
>>
>> In theory vringfd will get us zero copy from guest sendfile out to 
>> external machines.  For anything else we're doing a copy anyway, so 
>> avoiding copying has no great benefit.
>>   
>
> There's nothing that prevents zero-copy to be implemented for tun 
> without vringfd.  In fact, I seem to recall that your earlier patches 
> implemented zero-copy :-)
>
> I like the vringfd model and I think it's a good way to move forward.  
> My concern is that it introduces an extra syscall in the TX path.  
> Right now, we do a single write call whereas with vringfd we need to 
> insert the TX packet into the queue, do a notify, and then wait for 
> indication that the TX has succeeded.
>
> I know we'll win with TSO but we don't need vringfd for TSO.  The 
> jury's still out IMHO as to whether we should do vringfd or just try 
> to merge TSO tun patches.

tun+tso still doesn't give you zerocopy (unless you change it to use 
aio, which re-introduces the syscall).

btw, the two vringfd syscalls are amortized over a potentially large 
number of packets, whereas the single tun syscall is per-packet.


(note: we can get rid of the two syscalls as well by having each side 
opportunistically pick up ring entries, like Xen does)

-- 
I have a truly marvellous patch that fixes the bug which this
signature is too narrow to contain.


  reply	other threads:[~2008-06-16 14:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-06-13 13:57 [PATCH 0/0][RFC] KVM use of vringfd Mark McLoughlin
2008-06-13 13:57 ` [PATCH 1/5] vring: Replace mmap() interface with ioctl() Mark McLoughlin
2008-06-13 13:57   ` [PATCH 2/5] lguest: Use VRINGSETINFO ioctl() instead of mmap() Mark McLoughlin
2008-06-13 13:57     ` [PATCH 3/5] kvm: qemu: Publish last_avail index in the ring Mark McLoughlin
2008-06-13 13:58       ` [PATCH 4/5] kvm: qemu: Use vringfd to eliminate copies Mark McLoughlin
2008-06-13 13:58         ` [PATCH 5/5] kvm: qemu: Add support for partial csums and GSO Mark McLoughlin
2008-06-14 23:28         ` [PATCH 4/5] kvm: qemu: Use vringfd to eliminate copies Anthony Liguori
2008-06-16  2:10           ` Rusty Russell
2008-06-16 14:02             ` Anthony Liguori
2008-06-16 14:58               ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2008-06-18  5:43               ` Rusty Russell
2008-06-18 14:01             ` Avi Kivity
2008-06-17 14:08           ` Mark McLoughlin
2008-06-17 14:54             ` Anthony Liguori
2008-06-17 15:45               ` Mark McLoughlin
2008-06-13 14:09   ` [PATCH 1/5] vring: Replace mmap() interface with ioctl() Avi Kivity
2008-06-17 12:19     ` Mark McLoughlin
2008-06-18 14:05       ` Avi Kivity
2008-06-14  9:02   ` Rusty Russell
2008-06-14 14:20     ` Avi Kivity
2008-06-14 23:23       ` Anthony Liguori
2008-06-15 15:24         ` Avi Kivity
2008-06-15 19:13           ` Anthony Liguori

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