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From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
To: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@suse.de>
Cc: kvm@vger.kernel.org, Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de>
Subject: Re: Linux in VirtualPC in KVM fails
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 19:50:38 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <49678E6E.4020306@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4967708E.2060907@suse.de>

Kevin Wolf wrote:
> Hi,
>
> let's start with the scenario I tried to use: I have two levels of
> virtualization. On the physical hardware I run a Linux with KVM. The KVM
> guest is a Win2k3 VM which runs VirtualPC. In VirtualPC I try to run a
> Linux again (openSUSE 11.1 to be specific, but that shouldn't matter).
>
> The boot menu comes up nicely and so on, but early in the kernel boot it
> crashes:
>
> EIP is at kvm_deferred_mmu_op+0x46/0xbf
> Call Trace:
>  [<c0117f79>] kvm_mmu_write+0x59/0x61
>  [<c011bad9>] set_pte_vaddr+0x95/0xec
>  [<c011b3b2>] __native_set_fixmap+0x1d/0x24
>  [<c054ae5b>] test_wp_bit+0x24/0x6c
>  [<c054b6b1>] mem_init+0x295/0x2b8
>  [<c053a8a3>] start_kernel+0x262/0x31f
>
> Now obviously this is a KVM function where there should be none. The
> problem seems to be that VirtualPC doesn't intercept cpuid and thus the
> VirtualPC guest sees the KVM cpuid values where it better wouldn't.
> Consequently, it turns on the paravirt support for KVM which is exactly
> wrong and leads to the crash on the first hypercall.
>
> The guest has no chance to detect correctly if it's running directly on
> KVM or if there is another virtualization layer which can't emulate
> cpuid. So the fix must involve the mechanism itself. Alex has suggested
> to change the interface to use a KVM-specific MSR instead of cpuid as
> these should be handled by any virtualization software. I'm copying him
> so he can take over for the details, I just want to get the discussion
> started.
>
> So... Comments? Suggestions? Patches? ;-)
>   

Gaa.  Looks like cpuid is totally broken by first-generation 
virtualization products.

We're in a nice compatibility mess.  We can't just switch paravirt 
detection methods since that will break older guests _and_ older hosts 
on non-nested virtualization (which is the common case).

So I suggest:
- add a new cpuid bit, for 'paravirt verification'
- if the new bit is present, the guest verifies that paravirt is truly 
enabled by reading an msr (and checking a signature).

Older guests or newer guests running on older hosts will still be 
broken, but there's a command line parameter for disabling paravirt on 
the guest, and we can add one for the host as well.

-- 
I have a truly marvellous patch that fixes the bug which this
signature is too narrow to contain.


  reply	other threads:[~2009-01-09 17:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-01-09 15:43 Linux in VirtualPC in KVM fails Kevin Wolf
2009-01-09 17:50 ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2009-01-09 19:00   ` Alexander Graf
2009-01-09 19:04     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-01-09 19:32       ` Avi Kivity
2009-01-09 20:10         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-01-11  7:16           ` Avi Kivity
2009-01-09 19:34     ` Avi Kivity
2009-01-09 19:05   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-01-09 19:24     ` Alexander Graf
2009-01-09 20:09       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-01-11  7:17         ` Avi Kivity

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