From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Cc: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>,
Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH, RFC] virtio_blk: add cache flush command
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 19:49:37 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4A085721.2050005@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090511162810.GA6027@lst.de>
Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 06:45:50PM +0300, Avi Kivity wrote:
>
>>> Right now it's fsync. By the time I'll submit the backend change it
>>> will still be fsync, but at least called from the posix-aio-compat
>>> thread pool.
>>>
>>>
>> I think if we have cache=writeback we should ignore this.
>>
>
> It's only needed for cache=writeback, because without that there is no
> reason to flush a write cache.
>
Maybe we should add a fourth cache= mode then. But
cache=writeback+fsync doesn't correspond to any real world drive; in the
real world you're limited to power failures and a few megabytes of cache
(typically less), cache=writeback+fsync can lose hundreds of megabytes
due to power loss or software failure.
Oh, and cache=writeback+fsync doesn't work on qcow2, unless we add fsync
after metadata updates.
>> For cache=none and cache=writethrough we don't really need fsync, but we
>> do need to flush the inflight commands.
>>
>
> What we do need for those modes is the basic barrier support because
> we can currently re-order requests. The next version of my patch will
> implement a barriers without cache flush mode, although I don't think
> a fdatasync without any outstanding dirty data should cause problems.
>
Yeah. And maybe one day push the barrier into the kernel.
> (Or maybe ext3 actually is stupid enough to flush the whole fs even for
> that case
Sigh.
--
Do not meddle in the internals of kernels, for they are subtle and quick to panic.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-05-11 16:50 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-05-11 8:39 [PATCH, RFC] virtio_blk: add cache flush command Christoph Hellwig
2009-05-11 14:51 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-05-11 15:40 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-05-11 15:45 ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-11 16:28 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-05-11 16:49 ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2009-05-11 17:47 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-05-11 18:00 ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-11 18:29 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-05-11 18:40 ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-18 12:03 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-05-12 7:23 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-05-12 7:19 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-05-12 8:35 ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-18 12:06 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-05-11 16:38 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-05-12 7:26 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-05-12 13:54 ` Rusty Russell
2009-05-12 14:18 ` Christian Borntraeger
2009-05-13 1:52 ` Rusty Russell
2009-05-18 12:07 ` Christoph Hellwig
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