From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH, RFC] virtio_blk: add cache flush command
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 13:29:06 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4A086E72.5060302@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4A0867B8.2090601@redhat.com>
Avi Kivity wrote:
> Anthony Liguori wrote:
>
>>
>> Right now, it's fairly easy to understand. cache=none and
>> cache=writethrough guarantee that all write operations that the guest
>> thinks have completed are completed. cache=writeback provides no
>> such guarantee.
>
> cache=none is partially broken as well, since O_DIRECT writes might
> hit an un-battery-packed write cache. I think cache=writeback will
> send the necessary flushes, if the disk and the underlying filesystem
> support them.
Sure, but this likely doesn't upset people that much since O_DIRECT has
always had this behavior. Using non-battery backed disks with writeback
enabled introduces a larger set of possible data integrity issues. I
think this case is acceptable to ignore because it's a straight forward
policy.
>> cache=writeback+fsync would guarantee that only operations that
>> include a T_FLUSH are present on disk which currently includes fsyncs
>> but does not include O_DIRECT writes. I guess whether O_SYNC does a
>> T_FLUSH also has to be determined.
>>
>> It seems too complicated to me. If we could provide a mode where
>> cache=writeback provided as strong a guarantee as cache=writethrough,
>> then that would be quite interesting.
>
> It don't think we realistically can.
Maybe two fds? One open in O_SYNC and one not. Is such a thing sane?
>>>> (Or maybe ext3 actually is stupid enough to flush the whole fs even
>>>> for
>>>> that case
>>>
>>> Sigh.
>>
>> I'm also worried about ext3 here.
>
> I'm just waiting for btrfs.
Even ext4 is saner but we'll get lots of bug reports while ext3 remains
common.
Regards,
Anthony Liguori
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-05-11 18:29 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-05-11 8:39 [PATCH, RFC] virtio_blk: add cache flush command Christoph Hellwig
2009-05-11 14:51 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-05-11 15:40 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-05-11 15:45 ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-11 16:28 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-05-11 16:49 ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-11 17:47 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-05-11 18:00 ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-11 18:29 ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2009-05-11 18:40 ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-18 12:03 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-05-12 7:23 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-05-12 7:19 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-05-12 8:35 ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-18 12:06 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-05-11 16:38 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-05-12 7:26 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-05-12 13:54 ` Rusty Russell
2009-05-12 14:18 ` Christian Borntraeger
2009-05-13 1:52 ` Rusty Russell
2009-05-18 12:07 ` Christoph Hellwig
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