From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
To: Paul Menage <menage@google.com>
Cc: bharata@linux.vnet.ibm.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Dhaval Giani <dhaval@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Balbir Singh <balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Vaidyanathan Srinivasan <svaidy@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Gautham R Shenoy <ego@in.ibm.com>,
Srivatsa Vaddagiri <vatsa@in.ibm.com>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
Pavel Emelyanov <xemul@openvz.org>,
kvm@vger.kernel.org,
Linux Containers <containers@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
Herbert Poetzl <herbert@13thfloor.at>
Subject: Re: [RFC] CPU hard limits
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 16:02:11 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4A291753.7090205@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6599ad830906050153i1afd104fqe70f681317349142@mail.gmail.com>
Paul Menage wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:36 PM, Bharata B
> Rao<bharata@linux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
>
>> - Hard limits can be used to provide guarantees.
>>
>>
>
> This claim (and the subsequent long thread it generated on how limits
> can provide guarantees) confused me a bit.
>
> Why do we need limits to provide guarantees when we can already
> provide guarantees via shares?
>
> Suppose 10 cgroups each want 10% of the machine's CPU. We can just
> give each cgroup an equal share, and they're guaranteed 10% if they
> try to use it; if they don't use it, other cgroups can get access to
> the idle cycles.
>
> Suppose cgroup A wants a guarantee of 50% and two others, B and C,
> want guarantees of 15% each; give A 50 shares and B and C 15 shares
> each. In this case, if they all run flat out they'll get 62%/19%/19%,
> which is within their SLA.
>
> That's not to say that hard limits can't be useful in their own right
> - e.g. for providing reproducible loadtesting conditions by
> controlling how much CPU a service can use during the load test. But I
> don't see why using them to implement guarantees is either necessary
> or desirable.
>
> (Unless I'm missing some crucial point ...)
>
How many shares does a cgroup with a 0% guarantee get?
Ideally, the scheduler would hand out cpu time according to weight and
demand, then clamp over-demand by a cgroup's limit and boost the share
to meet guarantees.
--
I have a truly marvellous patch that fixes the bug which this
signature is too narrow to contain.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-06-05 13:04 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-06-04 5:36 [RFC] CPU hard limits Bharata B Rao
2009-06-04 12:19 ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-04 21:32 ` Mike Waychison
2009-06-05 3:03 ` Bharata B Rao
2009-06-05 3:33 ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-05 4:37 ` Balbir Singh
2009-06-05 4:44 ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-05 4:49 ` Balbir Singh
2009-06-05 5:09 ` Chris Friesen
2009-06-05 5:13 ` Balbir Singh
2009-06-05 5:10 ` Balbir Singh
2009-06-05 5:21 ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-05 5:27 ` Balbir Singh
2009-06-05 5:31 ` Bharata B Rao
2009-06-05 6:01 ` Avi Kivity
[not found] ` <4A28B4CE.4010004-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-06-05 8:16 ` Bharata B Rao
2009-06-07 6:04 ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-07 16:14 ` Bharata B Rao
2009-06-05 9:39 ` Balbir Singh
2009-06-05 13:14 ` Avi Kivity
[not found] ` <4A291A2F.3090201-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-06-05 13:42 ` Balbir Singh
2009-06-07 6:09 ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-05 14:54 ` Chris Friesen
2009-06-07 6:10 ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-05 9:24 ` Balbir Singh
2009-06-05 6:03 ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-05 6:32 ` Bharata B Rao
2009-06-05 12:57 ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-05 5:16 ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-05 5:20 ` Balbir Singh
2009-06-05 3:07 ` Balbir Singh
2009-06-05 8:53 ` Paul Menage
2009-06-05 9:27 ` Bharata B Rao
2009-06-05 9:32 ` Paul Menage
2009-06-05 9:48 ` Dhaval Giani
2009-06-05 9:51 ` Paul Menage
2009-06-05 9:59 ` Dhaval Giani
2009-06-05 10:03 ` Paul Menage
2009-06-08 8:50 ` Pavel Emelyanov
2009-06-05 9:36 ` Balbir Singh
[not found] ` <20090605093625.GI11755-SINUvgVNF2CyUtPGxGje5AC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2009-06-05 9:48 ` Paul Menage
2009-06-05 9:55 ` Balbir Singh
2009-06-05 9:57 ` Paul Menage
2009-06-05 10:02 ` Paul Menage
2009-06-05 11:32 ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2009-06-05 12:18 ` Paul Menage
[not found] ` <6599ad830906050518t6cd7d477h36a187f2eaf55578-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-06-07 10:11 ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2009-06-07 15:35 ` Balbir Singh
2009-06-08 4:37 ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2009-06-05 14:44 ` Chris Friesen
2009-06-05 13:02 ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2009-06-05 13:43 ` Dhaval Giani
2009-06-05 14:45 ` Chris Friesen
2009-06-05 9:02 ` Reinhard Tartler
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