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From: Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@web.de>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>, kvm <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH] qemu-kvm: Introduce writeback scope for cpu_synchronize_state
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 09:14:08 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4B025B50.4070505@web.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4B02592C.6060004@redhat.com>

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Avi Kivity wrote:
> On 11/16/2009 11:22 PM, Jan Kiszka wrote:
>> Avi Kivity wrote:
>>   
>>> On 11/16/2009 07:00 PM, Jan Kiszka wrote:
>>>     
>>>> This patch aims at addressing the mp_state writeback issue in a cleaner
>>>> fashion.
>>>>        
>>> What's the issue?  the fact that mp_state is updated whenever state is
>>> synchronized, while it could be simultaneously updated from other vcpus
>>> (which latter updates are then lost)?
>>>      
>> Right, the issue b8a7857071 addressed. But that approach spreads more
>> kvm_* fragments in unrelated qemu code, e.g. the monitor, and fails to
>> update other parts (gdbstub). And it doesn't care about what happens if
>> kvm is off at build or runtime. Such things are better addressed in
>> upstream by encapsulating kvm calls in synchronization points.
>>    
> 
> Note we have the same issue with nmi and the sipi vector - any vcpu

Good point.

> state that is updated outside the vcpu thread.  These are particularly
> bad since we can't exclude them from updates without excluding other
> state as well.

We easily can, using the very same mechanism: No need to overwrite any
of the kvm_vcpu_events during runtime, only on reset/vmload).

> 
> The whole issue is tricky.  I'm inclined to pretend we never meant any
> vcpu state (outside lapic) to be asynchronous and declare the whole
> thing a bug.  We could fix it by modeling external changes to state
> (INIT, SIPI, NMI) as messages queued to the vcpu, to be processed in the
> vcpu thread.  The queue would be drained before running the vcpu or
> before reading state from userspace, so the message queue contents can
> never be observed and never lost.
> 
> Of course, we can't really implement this as a queue (SIGSTOP vcpu
> thread -> overflow), but a word is sufficient.  INIT writes the word,
> everything else uses compare-and-swap or set_bit to raise events (e.g.
> SIPI = do { oldq = vcpu->queue; newq = (oldq & ~SIPI_MASK) | sipi_vector
> | RUNNING; } while (!cas(&vcpu->queue, oldq, newq)))
> 

I do not yet see why we need this complication, why the proposed model
isn't enough.

Jan


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  reply	other threads:[~2009-11-17  8:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-11-16 17:00 [RFC][PATCH] qemu-kvm: Introduce writeback scope for cpu_synchronize_state Jan Kiszka
2009-11-16 18:20 ` Alexander Graf
2009-11-16 19:14 ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-16 21:22   ` Jan Kiszka
2009-11-17  8:05     ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-17  8:14       ` Jan Kiszka [this message]
2009-11-17  8:37         ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-17  9:16           ` Jan Kiszka
2009-11-17 12:37             ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-17 13:05               ` Jan Kiszka
2009-11-17 13:28                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-17 14:12                   ` Jan Kiszka
2009-11-17 14:25                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-17 16:50                       ` Jan Kiszka
2009-11-17 16:58                         ` Jan Kiszka
2009-11-18 13:48                           ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-17 16:59                         ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-18  9:50                           ` Jan Kiszka
2009-11-18 13:46                             ` Avi Kivity

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