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From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
To: Joanna Rutkowska <joanna@invisiblethingslab.com>
Cc: kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: A few KVM security questions
Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:01:49 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4B1D0ACD.5020507@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4B1D094B.5000700@invisiblethingslab.com>

On 12/07/2009 03:55 PM, Joanna Rutkowska wrote:
>
>> It should be fairly easy to place qemu in a guest.  You would leave a
>> simple program on the host to communicate with kvm and pass any data
>> written by the guest to qemu running in another guest, and feed any
>> replies back to the guest.
>>
>>      
> But then you would need to have another qemu (on the host) to support
> running this "qemu-VM", where we want to put the qemu, right?
>    

Right, but to exploit this, you'd have to exploit the internal qemu, 
exploit the kernel, and exploit the external qemu.  Well, if the exploit 
was in some central thing I guess there isn't much value in the nesting.

You could alternatively use Xenner to run Xen guests for your qemu.  
That emulates a lot less.  But AFAIK xenner is moving towards qemu as well.

-- 
error compiling committee.c: too many arguments to function


  reply	other threads:[~2009-12-07 14:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-12-07 13:05 A few KVM security questions Joanna Rutkowska
2009-12-07 13:17 ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-07 13:30   ` Joanna Rutkowska
2009-12-07 13:38     ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-07 14:06       ` Joanna Rutkowska
2009-12-07 14:09         ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-07 16:44       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-07 17:09         ` Joanna Rutkowska
2009-12-07 17:13           ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-07 17:15             ` Joanna Rutkowska
2009-12-07 17:18               ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-07 17:33                 ` Joanna Rutkowska
2009-12-07 18:34                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-09 10:43                   ` Pasi Kärkkäinen
2009-12-07 17:38               ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-07 17:45                 ` Joanna Rutkowska
     [not found]                 ` <20091207181556.GM4679@tyrion.haifa.ibm.com>
2009-12-07 19:58                   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-07 17:33           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-07 17:58             ` Joanna Rutkowska
2009-12-07 17:47           ` Daniel P. Berrange
2009-12-07 13:55   ` Joanna Rutkowska
2009-12-07 14:01     ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2009-12-07 16:47     ` Anthony Liguori

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