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From: Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: KVM usability
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2010 15:22:07 +0100
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On 03/02/10 14:37, Nikolai K. Bochev wrote:
> I don't see where this argument is leading to. So far there are
> arguments that qemu/kvm sucks as a desktop virtualization, now
> suddenly the gui tools are shitty and everything should be done cli ,
> because there's no man pages for virt-manager. Explain.

Lets face it:  virt-manager has a big bunch of problems.  For starters 
there is no (gui) way to create a virtual machine other than installing 
one from a iso image or via pxe.  So if you downloaded a disk image and 
want to boot it -> no cookie for you.  Likewise if you have a bunch of 
already installed guests and want to migrate from $othertool to 
virt-manager you can't do that easily.

virt-manager builds on top of libvirt, so you always have the option to 
use other tools (virsh command line shell for example) to get something 
done which virt-manager doesn't provide a gui for.  libvirt can handle 
everything Peter asked for without problems.  It still sucks though. 
The whole point of a GUI is that you do *not* have to go to libvirt.org 
to figure how to tweak the virtual machine config xml using "virsh edit 
$vmname".

cheers,
   Gerd