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From: Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: KVM usability
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2010 15:52:52 +0100
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On 03/02/10 15:37, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 02, 2010 at 03:22:07PM +0100, Gerd Hoffmann wrote:
>> On 03/02/10 14:37, Nikolai K. Bochev wrote:
>>> I don't see where this argument is leading to. So far there are
>>> arguments that qemu/kvm sucks as a desktop virtualization, now
>>> suddenly the gui tools are shitty and everything should be done cli ,
>>> because there's no man pages for virt-manager. Explain.
>>
>> Lets face it:  virt-manager has a big bunch of problems.  For starters
>> there is no (gui) way to create a virtual machine other than installing
>> one from a iso image or via pxe.  So if you downloaded a disk image and
>> want to boot it ->  no cookie for you.  Likewise if you have a bunch of
>> already installed guests and want to migrate from $othertool to
>> virt-manager you can't do that easily.
>
> The ability to import existing KVM disk images is available in the
> latest release of virt-manager, targetted for Fedora 13.

Glad to hear that.  Are these bits in F12 virt-preview already?

> Migrating
> from another tool like VMWare  is a much harder than just importing
> the disk image, since you have to update the drivers inside the guest,
> likely reconfigure several config files, etc, etc. There is work on
> a full v2v tool to automate this task, for both Linux&  Windows guests.

I meant migrating from another qemu management tool, be it some other 
gui tool or self-baked shell scripts or something else.

Migrating from other virtualization products is harder of course.

cheers,
   Gerd