From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: Olivier Galibert <galibert@pobox.com>,
Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>,
Pekka Enberg <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi>,
"Zhang, Yanmin" <yanmin_zhang@linux.intel.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
Sheng Yang <sheng@linux.intel.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>,
oerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>,
Jes Sorensen <Jes.Sorensen@redhat.com>,
Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>,
Zachary Amsden <zamsden@redhat.com>,
ziteng.huang@intel.com,
Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@redhat.com>,
Fr?d?ric Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC] Unify KVM kernel-space and user-space code into a single project
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 08:37:06 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4BA71012.7070004@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100321203704.GB30194@elte.hu>
On 03/21/2010 10:37 PM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
>
>> That includes the guest kernel. If you can deploy a new kernel in the
>> guest, presumably you can deploy a userspace package.
>>
> Note that with perf we can instrument the guest with zero guest-kernel
> modifications as well.
>
> We try to reduce the guest impact to a bare minimum, as the difficulties in
> deployment are function of the cross section surface to the guest.
>
> Also, note that the kernel is special with regards to instrumentation: since
> this is the kernel project, we are doing kernel space changes, as we are doing
> them _anyway_. So adding symbol resolution capabilities would be a minimal
> addition to that - while adding a while new guest package for the demon would
> significantly increase the cross section surface.
>
It's true that for us, changing the kernel is easier than changing the
rest of the guest. IMO we should still resist the temptation to go the
easy path and do the right thing (I understand we disagree about what
the right thing is).
--
Do not meddle in the internals of kernels, for they are subtle and quick to panic.
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2010-03-16 5:27 [PATCH] Enhance perf to collect KVM guest os statistics from host side Zhang, Yanmin
2010-03-16 5:41 ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-16 7:24 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-16 9:20 ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-16 9:53 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-16 10:13 ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-16 10:20 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-16 10:40 ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-16 10:50 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-16 11:10 ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-16 11:25 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-16 12:21 ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-16 12:29 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-16 12:41 ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-16 13:08 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-16 13:16 ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-16 13:31 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-16 13:37 ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-16 15:06 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-03-16 15:52 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-16 16:08 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-03-16 16:35 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-16 17:34 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-03-16 17:52 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-16 18:06 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-03-16 18:28 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-16 23:04 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-03-17 0:41 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-03-17 3:54 ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-17 8:16 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-17 8:20 ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-17 8:59 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-18 5:27 ` Huang, Zhiteng
2010-03-17 8:14 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-17 8:53 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-16 17:06 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-03-16 17:39 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-16 23:07 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-03-17 8:10 ` [RFC] Unify KVM kernel-space and user-space code into a single project Ingo Molnar
2010-03-18 8:20 ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-18 8:56 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-18 9:24 ` Alexander Graf
2010-03-18 10:10 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-18 10:21 ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-18 11:35 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-18 12:00 ` Alexander Graf
2010-03-18 12:33 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-03-18 13:01 ` John Kacur
2010-03-18 14:25 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-18 14:39 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-03-18 13:02 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-18 13:10 ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-18 13:31 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-18 13:44 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2010-03-18 13:59 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-18 14:06 ` John Kacur
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2010-03-18 13:46 ` Avi Kivity
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2010-03-18 14:25 ` Avi Kivity
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2010-03-18 14:51 ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-18 13:24 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-03-18 13:48 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-18 10:12 ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-18 10:28 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-18 10:50 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-18 11:30 ` Avi Kivity
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2010-03-18 12:22 ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-18 13:00 ` Ingo Molnar
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2010-03-18 14:38 ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-18 17:16 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-18 14:59 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-03-18 15:17 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-18 16:11 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-03-18 16:28 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-18 16:38 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-03-18 16:51 ` Pekka Enberg
2010-03-18 17:02 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-18 17:09 ` Avi Kivity
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2010-03-19 7:56 ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-19 8:53 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-19 12:56 ` Anthony Liguori
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2010-03-21 20:01 ` Avi Kivity
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2010-03-21 20:31 ` Antoine Martin
2010-03-21 21:03 ` Avi Kivity
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2010-03-22 6:35 ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-22 11:48 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-22 12:31 ` Pekka Enberg
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2010-03-22 12:44 ` Pekka Enberg
2010-03-22 12:54 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-22 13:05 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2010-03-22 13:23 ` Richard W.M. Jones
2010-03-22 14:02 ` Ingo Molnar
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2010-03-22 14:07 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-22 12:36 ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-22 12:50 ` Pekka Enberg
2010-03-22 6:59 ` Zhang, Yanmin
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