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From: Xiao Guangrong <xiaoguangrong@cn.fujitsu.com>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: Lai Jiangshan <laijs@cn.fujitsu.com>,
	Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/4] Fix accessed bit tracking
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 14:53:56 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4C0DE904.5050007@cn.fujitsu.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4C0DD425.6050400@redhat.com>



Avi Kivity wrote:
> On 06/08/2010 05:35 AM, Xiao Guangrong wrote:
>>
>>> We can avoid the exchange in most cases, for example if the new spte has
>>> the accessed bit set (already in the patch set) or if the page is
>>> already marked as accessed, or if we see the old spte has the accessed
>>> bit set (so no race can occur).  I'll update the patches to avoid
>>> atomics when possible.
>>>      
>> Umm, the reason that we need atomics here is to avoid vcpu to update
>> spte when we read A bit
>> form it, so, perhaps we can use below way to avoid atomics completely:
>>
>> - set reserved bit in spte
>> - get A bit form spte
>> - set new spte
>>
>> the worst case is cause vcpu #PF here, but it doesn't matter since the
>> old mapping is already invalid,
>> also need a remote tlb flush later.
>>    
> 
> To set the reserved bit in the spte, you need an atomic operation (well,
> unless you use a sub-word-acccess to set a reserved bit in the high 32
> bits).

I think we no need atomic here, for example, we can do it like this:

*spte |= RSVD_BIT
[ maybe need a write barrier here? ]

After this sentence completed, we can ensure that the spte can not updated A bit
by vcpu, so we can get A bit safely.

> 
>>> I don't think atomics are that expensive, though, ~20 cycles on modern
>>> processors?
>>>
>>>      
>> Yes, but atomics are "LOCK" instructions, it can stop multiple cpus
>> runing in parallel.
>>    
> 
> Only if those cpus are accessing the same word you're accessing.
> 

Oh, you are right, the LOCK only locked the memory defined by the destination operand,
but i also recall that page table access can pass LOCK instruction, below description
is form intel' spec Vol. 3 7-5:

Locked operations are atomic with respect to all other memory operations and all externally
visible events. Only instruction fetch and page table accesses can pass locked instructions.
Locked instructions can be used to synchronize data written by one processor and read by another
processor.


  reply	other threads:[~2010-06-08  6:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-06-07  7:10 [PATCH v2 0/4] Fix accessed bit tracking Avi Kivity
2010-06-07  7:10 ` [PATCH v2 1/4] KVM: MMU: Introduce drop_spte() Avi Kivity
2010-06-07  7:10 ` [PATCH v2 2/4] KVM: MMU: Move accessed/dirty bit checks from rmap_remove() to drop_spte() Avi Kivity
2010-06-07  8:16   ` Lai Jiangshan
2010-06-07  9:01     ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-07  7:10 ` [PATCH v2 3/4] KVM: MMU: Atomically check for accessed bit when dropping an spte Avi Kivity
2010-06-08  2:07   ` Xiao Guangrong
2010-06-08  5:51     ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-07  7:10 ` [PATCH v2 4/4] KVM: MMU: Don't drop accessed bit while updating " Avi Kivity
2010-06-07  8:43 ` [PATCH v2 0/4] Fix accessed bit tracking Lai Jiangshan
2010-06-07  9:00   ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-08  2:35     ` Xiao Guangrong
2010-06-08  5:24       ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-08  6:53         ` Xiao Guangrong [this message]
2010-06-08  7:54           ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-08  8:30             ` Xiao Guangrong

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