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From: Avi Kivity <avi-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: Benjamin Herrenschmidt
	<benh-XVmvHMARGAS8U2dJNN8I7kB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Alexander Graf <agraf-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>,
	linuxppc-dev-uLR06cmDAlY/bJ5BZ2RsiQ@public.gmane.org,
	kvm-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	kvm-ppc-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] KVM: PPC: Add generic hpte management functions
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 10:53:01 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4C27035D.1010604@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1277593118.4200.122.camel@pasglop>

On 06/27/2010 01:58 AM, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:
>
>> Then mmu intensive loads can expect to be slow.
>>      
> Well, depends. ppc64 indeed requires the hash to be managed by the
> hypervisor, so inserting or invalidating translations will mean a
> roundtrip to the hypervisor, though there are ways at least the
> insertion could be alleviated (for example, the HV could service the
> hash misses directly walking the guest page tables).
>    

But the guest page tables are software defined, no?  That means the 
interface will break if the page table format changes.

> But that's due in part to a design choice (whether it's a good one or
> not I'm not going to argue here) which favors huge reasonably static
> workloads where the hash is expected to contain all translations for
> everything.
>    

What about when you have memory pressure?  The hash will have to reflect 
those pte_clear_flush_young(), no?

It seems horribly expensive.

> However, note that BookE (the embedded variant of the architecture) uses
> a different model for virtualization, including options in its latest
> variant for a HW logical->real translation (via a small dedicated TLB)
> and direct access to some TLB ops from the guest.
>    

I'm somewhat familiar with it, yes.

-- 
error compiling committee.c: too many arguments to function

  reply	other threads:[~2010-06-27  7:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-06-21 13:44 [PATCH 1/2] KVM: PPC: Add generic hpte management functions Alexander Graf
2010-06-21 13:44 ` [PATCH 2/2] KVM: PPC: Make use of hash based Shadow MMU Alexander Graf
     [not found] ` <1277127841-32704-1-git-send-email-agraf-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-22 12:02   ` [PATCH 1/2] KVM: PPC: Add generic hpte management functions Avi Kivity
     [not found]     ` <4C20A64D.2070805-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-22 12:04       ` Alexander Graf
2010-06-22 12:07         ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-22 12:10           ` Alexander Graf
     [not found]             ` <4C20A836.2010908-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-22 12:12               ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-22 12:14                 ` Alexander Graf
     [not found]                   ` <4C20A91A.1080607-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-22 12:20                     ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                       ` <4C20AA9B.8000807-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-26 22:58                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-06-27  7:53                           ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2010-06-27 22:10                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-06-30 13:18 [PATCH 0/2] Faster MMU lookups for Book3s v3 Alexander Graf
     [not found] ` <1277903926-12786-1-git-send-email-agraf-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-30 13:18   ` [PATCH 1/2] KVM: PPC: Add generic hpte management functions Alexander Graf

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