From: Takuya Yoshikawa <yoshikawa.takuya@oss.ntt.co.jp>
To: Zachary Amsden <zamsden@redhat.com>
Cc: KVM <kvm@vger.kernel.org>, Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>,
Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>,
Glauber Costa <glommer@redhat.com>,
Linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 18/18] Add timekeeping documentation
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 16:16:13 +0900 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4C3D643D.6070705@oss.ntt.co.jp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1278987938-23873-19-git-send-email-zamsden@redhat.com>
Hi,
(2010/07/13 11:25), Zachary Amsden wrote:
> +
> +2.3) APIC
> +
> +On Pentium and later processors, an on-board timer is available to each CPU
> +as part of the Advanced Programmable Interrupt Controller. The APIC is
> +accessed through memory-mapped registers and provides interrupt service to each
> +CPU, used for IPIs and local timer interrupts.
> +
> +Although in theory the APIC is a safe and stable source for local interrupts,
> +in practice, many bugs and glitches have occurred due to the special nature of
> +the APIC CPU-local memory-mapped hardware. Beware that CPU errata may affect
> +the use of the APIC and that workarounds may be required. In addition, some of
> +these workarounds pose unique constraints for virtualization - requiring either
> +extra overhead incurred from extra reads of memory-mapped I/O or additional
> +functionality that may be more computationally expensive to implement.
> +
> +Since the APIC is documented quite well in the Intel and AMD manuals, we will
> +avoid repititon of the detail here. It should be pointed out that the APIC
repetition?
> +timer is programmed through the LVT (local vector timer) register, is capable
> +of one-shot or periodic operation, and is based on the bus clock divided down
> +by the programmable divider register.
> +
> +2.4) HPET
> +
> +HPET is quite complex, and was originally intended to replace the PIT / RTC
> +support of the X86 PC. It remains to be seen whether that will be the case, as
> +the de facto standard of PC hardware is to emulate these older devices. Some
> +systems designated as legacy free may support only the HPET as a hardware timer
> +device.
> +
> +The HPET spec is rather loose and vague, requiring at least 3 hardware timers,
> +but allowing implementation freedom to support many more. It also imposes no
> +fixed rate on the timer frequency, but does impose some extremal values on
> +frequency, error and slew.
> +
> +In general, the HPET is recommended as a high precision (compared to PIT /RTC)
> +time source which is independent of local variation (as there is only one HPET
> +in any given system). The HPET is also memory-mapped, and its presence is
> +indicated through ACPI tables by the BIOS.
> +
> +Detailed specification of the HPET is beyond the current scope of this
> +document, as it is also very well documented elsewhere.
> +
> +3.6) TSC and STPCLK / T-states
> +
> +External signals given to the processor may also have the affect of stopping
effect?
> +the TSC. This is typically done for thermal emergency power control to prevent
> +an overheating condition, and typically, there is no way to detect that this
> +condition has happened.
> +
> +4.4) Migration
> +
> +Migration of a virtual machine raises problems for timekeeping in two ways.
> +First, the migration itself may take time, during which interrupts cannot be
> +delivered, and after which, the guest time may need to be caught up. NTP may
> +be able to help to some degree here, as the clock correction required is
> +typically small enough to fall in the NTP-correctable window.
> +
> +An additional concern is that timers based off the TSC (or HPET, if the raw bus
> +clock is exposed) may now be running at different rates, requiring compensation
> +in some may in the hypervisor by virtualizing these timers. In addition,
way?
> +migrating to a faster machine may preclude the use of a passthrough TSC, as a
> +faster clock cannot be made visible to a guest without the potential of time
> +advancing faster than usual. A slower clock is less of a problem, as it can
> +always be caught up to the original rate. KVM clock avoids these problems by
> +simply storing multipliers and offsets gainst the TSC for the guest to convert
against?
> +back into nanosecond resolution values.
> +
Takuya
-- I'm not English speaker, so not so sure about some places.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-07-14 7:16 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-07-13 2:25 KVM timekeeping fixes, V2 Zachary Amsden
2010-07-13 2:25 ` [PATCH 01/18] Make TSC offset writes non-preemptible Zachary Amsden
2010-07-13 21:33 ` Rik van Riel
2010-07-18 14:28 ` Avi Kivity
2010-07-18 14:30 ` Avi Kivity
2010-07-13 2:25 ` [PATCH 02/18] Fix SVM VMCB reset Zachary Amsden
2010-07-13 21:37 ` Rik van Riel
2010-07-13 2:25 ` [PATCH 03/18] TSC reset compensation Zachary Amsden
2010-07-13 22:11 ` Rik van Riel
2010-07-18 14:34 ` Avi Kivity
2010-07-19 20:01 ` Zachary Amsden
2010-07-13 2:25 ` [PATCH 04/18] Make cpu_tsc_khz updates use local CPU Zachary Amsden
2010-07-14 14:41 ` Rik van Riel
2010-07-18 14:45 ` Avi Kivity
2010-07-19 20:06 ` Zachary Amsden
2010-07-20 8:53 ` Avi Kivity
2010-07-20 21:57 ` Zachary Amsden
2010-07-13 2:25 ` [PATCH 05/18] Warn about unstable TSC Zachary Amsden
2010-07-14 15:02 ` Rik van Riel
2010-07-18 14:47 ` Avi Kivity
2010-07-13 2:25 ` [PATCH 06/18] Unify TSC logic Zachary Amsden
2010-07-14 15:53 ` Rik van Riel
2010-07-13 2:25 ` [PATCH 07/18] Fix deep C-state TSC desynchronization Zachary Amsden
2010-07-14 16:14 ` Rik van Riel
2010-07-13 2:25 ` [PATCH 08/18] Add helper functions for time computation Zachary Amsden
2010-07-14 19:02 ` Rik van Riel
2010-07-13 2:25 ` [PATCH 09/18] Robust TSC compensation Zachary Amsden
2010-07-13 20:34 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2010-07-13 21:15 ` Zachary Amsden
2010-07-13 21:42 ` David S. Ahern
2010-07-13 21:45 ` Zachary Amsden
2010-07-13 23:32 ` Zachary Amsden
2010-07-14 22:33 ` Rik van Riel
2010-07-18 14:52 ` Avi Kivity
2010-07-19 20:39 ` Zachary Amsden
2010-07-13 2:25 ` [PATCH 10/18] Keep SMP VMs more in sync on unstable TSC Zachary Amsden
2010-07-15 2:13 ` Rik van Riel
2010-07-13 2:25 ` [PATCH 11/18] Perform hardware_enable in CPU_STARTING callback Zachary Amsden
2010-07-15 2:15 ` Rik van Riel
2010-07-13 2:25 ` [PATCH 12/18] Add clock sync request to hardware enable Zachary Amsden
2010-07-15 2:32 ` Rik van Riel
2010-07-13 2:25 ` [PATCH 13/18] Move scale_delta into common header Zachary Amsden
2010-07-15 2:35 ` Rik van Riel
2010-07-13 2:25 ` [PATCH 14/18] Fix a possible backwards warp of kvmclock Zachary Amsden
2010-07-15 2:37 ` Rik van Riel
2010-07-13 2:25 ` [PATCH 15/18] Implement getnsboottime kernel API Zachary Amsden
2010-07-15 2:41 ` Rik van Riel
2010-07-18 15:07 ` Avi Kivity
2010-07-13 2:25 ` [PATCH 16/18] Use getnsboottime in KVM Zachary Amsden
2010-07-15 2:43 ` Rik van Riel
2010-07-13 2:25 ` [PATCH 17/18] Indicate reliable TSC in kvmclock Zachary Amsden
2010-07-15 2:44 ` Rik van Riel
2010-07-13 2:25 ` [PATCH 18/18] Add timekeeping documentation Zachary Amsden
2010-07-14 7:16 ` Takuya Yoshikawa [this message]
2010-07-14 20:28 ` Zachary Amsden
2010-07-16 13:19 ` KVM timekeeping fixes, V2 Joerg Roedel
2010-07-16 17:20 ` Zachary Amsden
2010-07-16 19:26 ` Joerg Roedel
2010-07-18 14:22 ` Avi Kivity
2010-07-18 15:08 ` Avi Kivity
2010-07-19 8:11 ` Zachary Amsden
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-07-13 2:07 KVM timekeeping fixes Zachary Amsden
2010-07-13 2:08 ` [PATCH 18/18] Add timekeeping documentation Zachary Amsden
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