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From: Jes Sorensen <Jes.Sorensen@redhat.com>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>,
	Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>, Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de>,
	Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH kvm-unit-tests 2/4] Introduce a C++ wrapper for the kvm APIs
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 17:51:02 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4CED4276.9090103@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4CED41A0.8060003@redhat.com>

On 11/24/10 17:47, Avi Kivity wrote:
> On 11/24/2010 06:40 PM, Jes Sorensen wrote:
>> Well the problem here is that the i8042 is in the i440fx.c file, it
>> shouldn't be there in the first place. The gluing together things in
>> silicon is really just a way to shorten the wires and make it easier,
>> they are still separate devices and as long as the i8042 requires ISA
>> access, and to be treated like an ISA device, we should glue it onto the
>> virtual ISA bus within QEMU.
>>
>> What you did above is making the exact same mistake as is done with the
>> current i440fx.c code.
> 
> If a real life 440fx has an i8042, then an emulated 440fx should have an
> emulated i8042.  It's not complicated.

It's a question of how it is accessed, if it is treated like an ISA
device by the silicon, we should treat it like an ISA device in QEMU,
rather than pretend it is something that it isn't.

>> >>>  So whereas we have this very complicate machine create function that
>> >>>  attempts to create and composite all of these devices after the
>> >>>  fact, when written in C++, partially due to good design, but
>> >>>  partially due to the fact that the languages forces you to think a
>> >>>  certain way, you get a tremendous simplification.
>>
>> That is clearly dependent on the eyes of the person who looks at it.
> 
> It's independent of language.  It should be done in C as well.  C++ just
> makes it easier by reducing the boilerplate.

Right we need good design for our C code, which we are lacking to a
large extend. However that has nothing to do with the language, that has
to do with the developers.

Jes

  reply	other threads:[~2010-11-24 16:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 130+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-11-24 10:52 [PATCH kvm-unit-tests 0/4] API test framework Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 10:52 ` [PATCH kvm-unit-tests 1/4] Makefile: add support for C++ Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 10:52 ` [PATCH kvm-unit-tests 2/4] Introduce a C++ wrapper for the kvm APIs Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 12:59   ` Alexander Graf
2010-11-24 13:33     ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24 14:18     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-24 14:24       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-24 14:32       ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 14:31     ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 14:41     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-24 15:40       ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24 15:50         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-24 16:10           ` Avi Kivity
2010-12-02 13:52             ` Mike Day
2010-11-24 16:12           ` [PATCH kvm-unit-tests 2/4] " Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24 16:14             ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 16:21               ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24 16:25                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 16:29                   ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24 16:33                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 16:52                       ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24 16:56                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 17:02                           ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24 17:07                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 17:10                               ` Jes Sorensen
2010-11-24 17:12                                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 17:14                               ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-24 16:43                 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-24 16:48                   ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24 16:56                     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-24 17:04                       ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24 16:40             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-24 17:33               ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24 17:39                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 17:41                   ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24 17:50                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 18:23                       ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24 18:50                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 18:17                 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-24 18:34                   ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24 18:53                     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-25  8:35                       ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24 16:40           ` Jes Sorensen
2010-11-24 16:47             ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 16:51               ` Jes Sorensen [this message]
2010-11-24 16:57                 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-24 17:29                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 16:59                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 17:06                   ` Jes Sorensen
2010-11-24 17:11                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 17:17                       ` Jes Sorensen
2010-11-24 17:25                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 17:28                           ` Jes Sorensen
2010-11-24 17:31                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 17:36                           ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24 17:41                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 17:27                         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-24 17:35                           ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 17:36                           ` Jes Sorensen
2010-11-24 17:41                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 17:43                               ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24 17:50                                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 18:10                                   ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24 18:55                                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 19:29                                       ` Jes Sorensen
2010-11-24 19:33                                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 17:43                               ` Jes Sorensen
2010-11-24 17:51                                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 17:43                             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-24 17:45                               ` Jes Sorensen
2010-11-24 17:51                                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 18:01                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-24 18:56                                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 16:55               ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24 17:01                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 17:16                   ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24 17:26                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 16:53             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-24 17:03               ` Jes Sorensen
2010-11-28 12:27       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-28 22:04         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-28 22:28           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-28 23:13             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-29  8:04               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-29 13:44                 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-29 13:48                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 16:29     ` Jes Sorensen
2010-11-24 16:34       ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 16:44         ` Jes Sorensen
2010-11-24 16:49           ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-28 11:59     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-28 13:02       ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-28 13:57         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-28 14:34           ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-28 16:57             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-29  9:22               ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-29 10:47                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-29 10:52                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-29 11:26                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-29 13:38                       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-24 14:10   ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-24 14:29     ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 14:45       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-24 14:53         ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 14:55           ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-25 16:32       ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-26 10:16   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found]     ` <4CF0CB9A.5060403@redhat.com>
2010-11-28  8:58       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-28  9:31         ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-28  9:50           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-28  9:54             ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-28 11:44               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-28 13:14                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-28 14:40                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-28 22:12                     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-29  9:30                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-28 11:49   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-28 13:15     ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-28 14:49       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-29  9:30         ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 10:52 ` [PATCH kvm-unit-tests 3/4] Add support for calling a function in guest mode Avi Kivity
2010-11-26 14:17   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found]     ` <4CF0CC26.8030407@redhat.com>
2010-11-28  8:59       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-28  9:22         ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 10:52 ` [PATCH kvm-unit-tests 4/4] Add sample test using the api test harness Avi Kivity
2010-11-26 14:17   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found]     ` <4CF0CC4A.8070100@redhat.com>
2010-11-28  9:04       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-28  9:21         ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-29 16:09 ` [PATCH kvm-unit-tests 0/4] API test framework Marcelo Tosatti
2010-12-01 10:38   ` Avi Kivity

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