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From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>, Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de>,
	Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH kvm-unit-tests 2/4] Introduce a C++ wrapper for the kvm APIs
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 11:14:41 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4CED4801.8040300@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4CED463F.7080700@redhat.com>

On 11/24/2010 11:07 AM, Avi Kivity wrote:
> On 11/24/2010 07:02 PM, Gleb Natapov wrote:
>> On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 06:56:52PM +0200, Avi Kivity wrote:
>> >  On 11/24/2010 06:52 PM, Gleb Natapov wrote:
>> > >>   Plus some magic glue.  You can't say it is an ISA bridge.  It's
>> > >>   exactly what its spec says it is.
>> > >>
>> > >First thing my spec says is "Bridge Between the PCI Bus and ISA Bus"
>> >
>> >  It's the first item in a list of features.  Be serious.
>> >
>> I am serious. The fact that it provides IDE or kbd doesn't make this IDE
>> or kbd special. It means that it has gates that provide functionality of
>> those chips. Just like SoC really. IDE doesn't become part of ARM cpu
>> just because some SoC somewhere include them on the same silicon.
>
> They aren't special.  They're just part of the PIIX3 device.

So based on the IRC discussion that pbrook and I have been having, you 
can think of things like this:

class PIIX3 {
public:
    Plug<I8042> i8042;
};

A plug allows conditional composition whereas the absence of a plug 
means unconditional composition.  There is a mechanism to name plugs and 
you can have an i8042 factory to create the device and then 
conditionally attach it to the plug.

This is fine even though I think it's unnecessary abstraction.  What I 
object to is introducing an artificial ISA bus layering.

A Plug<Type> is basically a Type * except it has some additional 
features.  It provides null-pointer dereference checking, provides a 
marshalling interface, and supports the ability to be locked which 
enables a device to enforce that plugging cannot happen after the device 
is realized (power-on).

>> >  When we do have a spec for something, we should implement it as the
>> >  spec says, not according to our ideas of how it should be.
>> >
>> PIIX3 is composite device. It is not one device. To emulate it you need
>> to provide functionality of all devices included om PIIX3. Spec says
>> nothing about how it should be implemented.
>
> Right, we could (and probably should) implement it as
>
>   class PIIX3 {
>   private:
>       class isa_bridge { .... };
>       isa_bridge isa_bridge;

No, PIIX3 is an PCI-to-ISA bridge.

It's a fundamental part of the definition of it as a PCI device.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

>       i8042 kbc;
>       ...
>   }
>
> So the thing becomes just a glue layer for various components.  But 
> when pc.c says PIIX3, it gets what the spec says, not something else.
>


  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-11-24 17:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 130+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-11-24 10:52 [PATCH kvm-unit-tests 0/4] API test framework Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 10:52 ` [PATCH kvm-unit-tests 1/4] Makefile: add support for C++ Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 10:52 ` [PATCH kvm-unit-tests 2/4] Introduce a C++ wrapper for the kvm APIs Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 12:59   ` Alexander Graf
2010-11-24 13:33     ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24 14:18     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-24 14:24       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-24 14:32       ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 14:31     ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 14:41     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-24 15:40       ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24 15:50         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-24 16:10           ` Avi Kivity
2010-12-02 13:52             ` Mike Day
2010-11-24 16:12           ` [PATCH kvm-unit-tests 2/4] " Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24 16:14             ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 16:21               ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24 16:25                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 16:29                   ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24 16:33                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 16:52                       ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24 16:56                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 17:02                           ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24 17:07                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 17:10                               ` Jes Sorensen
2010-11-24 17:12                                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 17:14                               ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2010-11-24 16:43                 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-24 16:48                   ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24 16:56                     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-24 17:04                       ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24 16:40             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-24 17:33               ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24 17:39                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 17:41                   ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24 17:50                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 18:23                       ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24 18:50                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 18:17                 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-24 18:34                   ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24 18:53                     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-25  8:35                       ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24 16:40           ` Jes Sorensen
2010-11-24 16:47             ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 16:51               ` Jes Sorensen
2010-11-24 16:57                 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-24 17:29                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 16:59                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 17:06                   ` Jes Sorensen
2010-11-24 17:11                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 17:17                       ` Jes Sorensen
2010-11-24 17:25                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 17:28                           ` Jes Sorensen
2010-11-24 17:31                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 17:36                           ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24 17:41                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 17:27                         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-24 17:35                           ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 17:36                           ` Jes Sorensen
2010-11-24 17:41                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 17:43                               ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24 17:50                                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 18:10                                   ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24 18:55                                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 19:29                                       ` Jes Sorensen
2010-11-24 19:33                                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 17:43                               ` Jes Sorensen
2010-11-24 17:51                                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 17:43                             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-24 17:45                               ` Jes Sorensen
2010-11-24 17:51                                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 18:01                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-24 18:56                                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 16:55               ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24 17:01                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 17:16                   ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24 17:26                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 16:53             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-24 17:03               ` Jes Sorensen
2010-11-28 12:27       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-28 22:04         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-28 22:28           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-28 23:13             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-29  8:04               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-29 13:44                 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-29 13:48                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 16:29     ` Jes Sorensen
2010-11-24 16:34       ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 16:44         ` Jes Sorensen
2010-11-24 16:49           ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-28 11:59     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-28 13:02       ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-28 13:57         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-28 14:34           ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-28 16:57             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-29  9:22               ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-29 10:47                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-29 10:52                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-29 11:26                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-29 13:38                       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-24 14:10   ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-24 14:29     ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 14:45       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-24 14:53         ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 14:55           ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-25 16:32       ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-26 10:16   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found]     ` <4CF0CB9A.5060403@redhat.com>
2010-11-28  8:58       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-28  9:31         ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-28  9:50           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-28  9:54             ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-28 11:44               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-28 13:14                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-28 14:40                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-28 22:12                     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-29  9:30                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-28 11:49   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-28 13:15     ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-28 14:49       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-29  9:30         ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 10:52 ` [PATCH kvm-unit-tests 3/4] Add support for calling a function in guest mode Avi Kivity
2010-11-26 14:17   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found]     ` <4CF0CC26.8030407@redhat.com>
2010-11-28  8:59       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-28  9:22         ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 10:52 ` [PATCH kvm-unit-tests 4/4] Add sample test using the api test harness Avi Kivity
2010-11-26 14:17   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found]     ` <4CF0CC4A.8070100@redhat.com>
2010-11-28  9:04       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-28  9:21         ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-29 16:09 ` [PATCH kvm-unit-tests 0/4] API test framework Marcelo Tosatti
2010-12-01 10:38   ` Avi Kivity

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