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From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>,
	Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH kvm-unit-tests 2/4] Introduce a C++ wrapper for the kvm APIs
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 16:12:16 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4CF2D3C0.3050200@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20101128144020.GC12874@redhat.com>

On 11/28/2010 08:40 AM, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
>
>> This code is not reusable.  Everywhere you use an fd, you have to
>> repeat this code.
>>      
> But that's not a lot of code. And you can abstract it away at a higher
> level. For example kvm_init and kvm_cleanup would setup/cleanup
> state in a consistent way.
>
> My experience tells me C++ code has much more boilerplate code that you
> are forced to repeat over and over.  This is especially true for unix
> system programming:  by the time you are done wrapping all of unix you
> have created more LOC than you are ever likely to save.
>    

I've said it earlier but I think it's worth repeating--trying to wrap 
libc in "pretty" C++ interfaces is a waste of time.

In an ideal world, the device model doesn't interact at all with libc.  
Most of the code simply manipulates internal state and some code will 
provide a bridge to well defined internal interfaces.

The nice thing about C++ though is that you can still write "C" code and 
compile it with g++ (or even gcc if you care).  So you can use objects 
where they make sense and not use them where they don't.

>> class kvm::fd is reusable, if you embed it in another object you
>> don't have to worry about errors any more (as long as the object's
>> methods are exception safe).
>>      
> To get exception safe code, you have to constantly worry about errors.
> And it's easier to spot an unhandled return code than exception-unsafe
> code:  gcc actually has  __attribute__((warn_unused_result)) which
> might help catch common errors. No such tool to catch
> exception-unsafe code AFAIK.
>    

I tend to agree that writing exception safe code and using exceptions 
for expected errors is a bad idea.  I think exceptions should be used 
primarily for unexpected errors.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

>
>> -- 
>> error compiling committee.c: too many arguments to function
>>      
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  reply	other threads:[~2010-11-28 22:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 130+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-11-24 10:52 [PATCH kvm-unit-tests 0/4] API test framework Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 10:52 ` [PATCH kvm-unit-tests 1/4] Makefile: add support for C++ Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 10:52 ` [PATCH kvm-unit-tests 2/4] Introduce a C++ wrapper for the kvm APIs Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 12:59   ` Alexander Graf
2010-11-24 13:33     ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24 14:18     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-24 14:24       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-24 14:32       ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 14:31     ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 14:41     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-24 15:40       ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24 15:50         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-24 16:10           ` Avi Kivity
2010-12-02 13:52             ` Mike Day
2010-11-24 16:12           ` [PATCH kvm-unit-tests 2/4] " Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24 16:14             ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 16:21               ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24 16:25                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 16:29                   ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24 16:33                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 16:52                       ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24 16:56                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 17:02                           ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24 17:07                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 17:10                               ` Jes Sorensen
2010-11-24 17:12                                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 17:14                               ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-24 16:43                 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-24 16:48                   ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24 16:56                     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-24 17:04                       ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24 16:40             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-24 17:33               ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24 17:39                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 17:41                   ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24 17:50                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 18:23                       ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24 18:50                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 18:17                 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-24 18:34                   ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24 18:53                     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-25  8:35                       ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24 16:40           ` Jes Sorensen
2010-11-24 16:47             ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 16:51               ` Jes Sorensen
2010-11-24 16:57                 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-24 17:29                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 16:59                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 17:06                   ` Jes Sorensen
2010-11-24 17:11                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 17:17                       ` Jes Sorensen
2010-11-24 17:25                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 17:28                           ` Jes Sorensen
2010-11-24 17:31                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 17:36                           ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24 17:41                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 17:27                         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-24 17:35                           ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 17:36                           ` Jes Sorensen
2010-11-24 17:41                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 17:43                               ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24 17:50                                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 18:10                                   ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24 18:55                                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 19:29                                       ` Jes Sorensen
2010-11-24 19:33                                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 17:43                               ` Jes Sorensen
2010-11-24 17:51                                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 17:43                             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-24 17:45                               ` Jes Sorensen
2010-11-24 17:51                                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 18:01                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-24 18:56                                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 16:55               ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24 17:01                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 17:16                   ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24 17:26                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 16:53             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-24 17:03               ` Jes Sorensen
2010-11-28 12:27       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-28 22:04         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-28 22:28           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-28 23:13             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-29  8:04               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-29 13:44                 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-29 13:48                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 16:29     ` Jes Sorensen
2010-11-24 16:34       ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 16:44         ` Jes Sorensen
2010-11-24 16:49           ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-28 11:59     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-28 13:02       ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-28 13:57         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-28 14:34           ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-28 16:57             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-29  9:22               ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-29 10:47                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-29 10:52                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-29 11:26                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-29 13:38                       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-24 14:10   ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-24 14:29     ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 14:45       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-24 14:53         ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 14:55           ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-25 16:32       ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-26 10:16   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found]     ` <4CF0CB9A.5060403@redhat.com>
2010-11-28  8:58       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-28  9:31         ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-28  9:50           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-28  9:54             ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-28 11:44               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-28 13:14                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-28 14:40                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-28 22:12                     ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2010-11-29  9:30                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-28 11:49   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-28 13:15     ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-28 14:49       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-29  9:30         ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 10:52 ` [PATCH kvm-unit-tests 3/4] Add support for calling a function in guest mode Avi Kivity
2010-11-26 14:17   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found]     ` <4CF0CC26.8030407@redhat.com>
2010-11-28  8:59       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-28  9:22         ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 10:52 ` [PATCH kvm-unit-tests 4/4] Add sample test using the api test harness Avi Kivity
2010-11-26 14:17   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found]     ` <4CF0CC4A.8070100@redhat.com>
2010-11-28  9:04       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-28  9:21         ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-29 16:09 ` [PATCH kvm-unit-tests 0/4] API test framework Marcelo Tosatti
2010-12-01 10:38   ` Avi Kivity

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