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From: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
Cc: Chris Wright <chrisw@sous-sol.org>,
	vatsa@linux.vnet.ibm.com, Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>,
	Anthony Liguori <aliguori@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] qemu-kvm: response to SIGUSR1 to start/stop a VCPU (v2)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 14:24:20 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4CF6A0E4.1050108@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1291230476.32004.1922.camel@laptop>

On 12/01/2010 02:07 PM, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-12-01 at 12:26 -0500, Rik van Riel wrote:
>> On 12/01/2010 12:22 PM, Peter Zijlstra wrote:

>> The pause loop exiting&  directed yield patches I am working on
>> preserve inter-vcpu fairness by round robining among the vcpus
>> inside one KVM guest.
>
> I don't necessarily think that's enough.
>
> Suppose you've got 4 vcpus, one is holding a lock and 3 are spinning.
> They'll end up all three donating some time to the 4th.
>
> The only way to make that fair again is if due to future contention the
> 4th cpu donates an equal amount of time back to the resp. cpus it got
> time from. Guest lock patterns and host scheduling don't provide this
> guarantee.

You have no guarantees when running virtualized, guest
CPU time could be taken away by another guest just as
easily as by another VCPU.

Even if we equalized the amount of CPU time each VCPU
ends up getting across some time interval, that is no
guarantee they get useful work done, or that the time
gets fairly divided to _user processes_ running inside
the guest.

The VCPU could be running something lock-happy when
it temporarily gives up the CPU, and get extra CPU time
back when running something userspace intensive.

In-between, it may well have scheduled to another task
(allowing it to get more CPU time).

I'm not convinced the kind of fairness you suggest is
possible or useful.

-- 
All rights reversed

  reply	other threads:[~2010-12-01 19:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-11-23 16:49 [PATCH] qemu-kvm: response to SIGUSR1 to start/stop a VCPU (v2) Anthony Liguori
2010-11-23 19:35 ` [Qemu-devel] " Blue Swirl
2010-11-23 21:46   ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-23 23:43     ` Paolo Bonzini
2010-11-24  1:15       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-24  2:08         ` Paolo Bonzini
2010-11-24  8:18 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 13:58   ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-24 14:23     ` Avi Kivity
2010-12-01 12:37       ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2010-12-01 12:56         ` Avi Kivity
2010-12-01 16:12           ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2010-12-01 16:25             ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-12-01 17:17               ` Chris Wright
2010-12-01 17:22                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-12-01 17:26                   ` Rik van Riel
2010-12-01 19:07                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-12-01 19:24                       ` Rik van Riel [this message]
2010-12-01 19:35                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-12-01 19:42                           ` Rik van Riel
2010-12-01 19:47                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-12-02  9:07                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-12-01 17:46                   ` Chris Wright
2010-12-01 17:29               ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2010-12-01 17:45                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-12-01 18:00                   ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2010-12-01 19:09                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-12-02  9:17                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-12-02 11:47                         ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2010-12-02 12:22                           ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2010-12-02 12:41                           ` Avi Kivity
2010-12-02 13:13                             ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2010-12-02 13:49                               ` Avi Kivity
2010-12-02 15:27                                 ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2010-12-02 15:28                                   ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2010-12-02 15:33                                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-12-02 15:44                                     ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2010-12-02 12:19                         ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2010-12-02 12:42                           ` Avi Kivity
2010-12-02  9:14                 ` Avi Kivity

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