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From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: Chris Wright <chrisw@sous-sol.org>
Cc: kvm@vger.kernel.org, Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>,
	Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>,
	Srivatsa Vaddagiri <vatsa@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] kvm-vmx: add module parameter to avoid trapping HLT instructions (v2)
Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2010 14:25:50 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4CF800CE.6080403@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20101202191416.GQ10050@sequoia.sous-sol.org>

On 12/02/2010 01:14 PM, Chris Wright wrote:
> * Anthony Liguori (aliguori@us.ibm.com) wrote:
>    
>> In certain use-cases, we want to allocate guests fixed time slices where idle
>> guest cycles leave the machine idling.  There are many approaches to achieve
>> this but the most direct is to simply avoid trapping the HLT instruction which
>> lets the guest directly execute the instruction putting the processor to sleep.
>>      
> I like the idea, esp to keep from burning power.
>
>    
>> Introduce this as a module-level option for kvm-vmx.ko since if you do this
>> for one guest, you probably want to do it for all.  A similar option is possible
>> for AMD but I don't have easy access to AMD test hardware.
>>      
> Perhaps it should be a VM level option.  And then invert the notion.
> Create one idle domain w/out hlt trap.  Give that VM a vcpu per pcpu
> (pin in place probably).  And have that VM do nothing other than hlt.
> Then it's always runnable according to scheduler, and can "consume" the
> extra work that CFS wants to give away.
>    

That's an interesting idea.  I think Vatsa had some ideas about how to 
do this with existing mechanisms.

I'm interesting in comparing behavior with fixed allocation because one 
thing the above relies upon is that the filler VM loses it's time when 
one of the non-filler VCPU needs to run.  This may all work correctly 
but I think it's easier to rationalize about having each non-filler VCPU 
have a fixed (long) time slice.  If a VCPU needs to wake up to become 
non-idle, it can do so immediately because it already has the PCPU.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori



> What do you think?
>
> thanks,
> -chris
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  reply	other threads:[~2010-12-02 20:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-12-02 13:59 [PATCH] kvm-vmx: add module parameter to avoid trapping HLT instructions (v2) Anthony Liguori
2010-12-02 14:39 ` lidong chen
2010-12-02 15:23   ` Anthony Liguori
2010-12-02 15:23   ` Anthony Liguori
2010-12-03  9:38     ` Avi Kivity
2010-12-03 11:12       ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2010-12-03 23:28       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-12-02 17:37 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2010-12-02 19:07   ` Anthony Liguori
2010-12-02 20:12     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2010-12-02 20:51       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-12-03  9:36         ` Avi Kivity
2010-12-03 22:45           ` Anthony Liguori
2010-12-04  8:13             ` Avi Kivity
2010-12-04 13:30               ` Anthony Liguori
2010-12-06  8:28                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-12-06  8:35                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-12-06 13:58                     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-12-06 14:01                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-12-06 14:02                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-12-06 14:08                           ` Anthony Liguori
2010-12-06 14:14                             ` Gleb Natapov
2010-12-06 14:03                         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-12-06 14:33                           ` Avi Kivity
2010-12-06 15:07                             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-12-06 15:16                               ` Avi Kivity
2010-12-06 16:21                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-12-06 16:30                                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-12-06 16:33                                     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-12-03 12:40         ` Gleb Natapov
2010-12-03 23:31       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-12-03 22:42   ` Anthony Liguori
2010-12-04  8:16     ` Avi Kivity
2010-12-04 13:48       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-12-06  8:32         ` Avi Kivity
2010-12-02 19:14 ` Chris Wright
2010-12-02 20:25   ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2010-12-02 20:40     ` Chris Wright
2010-12-02 20:40   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2010-12-02 21:07     ` Chris Wright
2010-12-02 22:37       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-12-03  2:42         ` Chris Wright
2010-12-03  3:21           ` Anthony Liguori
2010-12-03  3:44             ` Chris Wright
2010-12-03 14:25               ` Anthony Liguori
2010-12-02 22:27     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-12-03 22:49     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-12-04  5:43       ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2010-12-03  9:40   ` Avi Kivity
2010-12-03 11:21     ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2010-12-03 11:57   ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2010-12-03 16:27     ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2010-12-03 17:29       ` Chris Wright
2010-12-03 17:33         ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2010-12-04  8:18           ` Avi Kivity
2010-12-03 17:57         ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2010-12-03 17:58           ` Chris Wright
2010-12-03 18:07             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-12-03 18:12               ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2010-12-04  8:19                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-12-03 18:20               ` Chris Wright
2010-12-03 18:55                 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-12-03 18:10             ` Marcelo Tosatti
2010-12-03 18:24               ` Marcelo Tosatti
2010-12-03 17:28     ` Chris Wright
2010-12-03 17:36       ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2010-12-03 17:38         ` Chris Wright
2010-12-03 17:43           ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2010-12-03 17:47           ` Anthony Liguori

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