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From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
To: Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	mtosatti@redhat.com, xiaoguangrong@cn.fujitsu.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] Weight-balanced binary tree + KVM growable memory slots using wbtree
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 11:54:29 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4D6A1F55.7080804@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1298568944.6140.21.camel@x201>

On 02/24/2011 07:35 PM, Alex Williamson wrote:
> On Thu, 2011-02-24 at 12:06 +0200, Avi Kivity wrote:
> >  On 02/23/2011 09:28 PM, Alex Williamson wrote:
> >  >  I had forgotten about<1M mem, so actually the slot configuration was:
> >  >
> >  >  0:<1M
> >  >  1: 1M - 3.5G
> >  >  2: 4G+
> >  >
> >  >  I stacked the deck in favor of the static array (0: 4G+, 1: 1M-3.5G, 2:
> >  >  <1M), and got these kernbench results:
> >  >
> >  >               base (stdev)    reorder (stdev)   wbtree (stdev)
> >  >  --------+-----------------+----------------+----------------+
> >  >  Elapsed |  42.809 (0.19)  |  42.160 (0.22) |  42.305 (0.23) |
> >  >  User    | 115.709 (0.22)  | 114.358 (0.40) | 114.720 (0.31) |
> >  >  System  |  41.605 (0.14)  |  40.741 (0.22) |  40.924 (0.20) |
> >  >  %cpu    |   366.9 (1.45)  |   367.4 (1.17) |   367.6 (1.51) |
> >  >  context |  7272.3 (68.6)  |  7248.1 (89.7) |  7249.5 (97.8) |
> >  >  sleeps  | 14826.2 (110.6) | 14780.7 (86.9) | 14798.5 (63.0) |
> >  >
> >  >  So, wbtree is only slightly behind reordering, and the standard
> >  >  deviation suggests the runs are mostly within the noise of each other.
> >  >  Thanks,
> >
> >  Doesn't this indicate we should use reordering, instead of a new data
> >  structure?
>
> The original problem that brought this on was scaling.  The re-ordered
> array still has O(N) scaling while the tree should have ~O(logN) (note
> that it currently doesn't because it needs a compaction algorithm added
> after insert and remove).  So yes, it's hard to beat the results of a
> test that hammers on the first couple entries of a sorted array, but I
> think the tree has better than current performance and more predictable
> when scaled performance.

Scaling doesn't matter, only actual performance.  Even a guest with 512 
slots would still hammer only on the first few slots, since these will 
contain the bulk of memory.

> If we knew when we were searching for which type of data, it would
> perhaps be nice if we could use a sorted array for guest memory (since
> it's nicely bounded into a small number of large chunks), and a tree for
> mmio (where we expect the scaling to be a factor).  Thanks,

We have three types of memory:

- RAM - a few large slots
- mapped mmio (for device assignment) - possible many small slots
- non-mapped mmio (for emulated devices) - no slots

The first two are handled in exactly the same way - they're just memory 
slots.  We expect a lot more hits into the RAM slots, since they're much 
bigger.  But by far the majority of faults will be for the third 
category - mapped memory will be hit once per page, then handled by 
hardware until Linux memory management does something about the page, 
which should hopefully be rare (with device assignment, rare == never, 
since those pages are pinned).

Therefore our optimization priorities should be
- complete miss into the slot list
- hit into the RAM slots
- hit into the other slots (trailing far behind)

Of course worst-case performance matters.  For example, we might (not 
sure) be searching the list with the mmu spinlock held.

I think we still have a bit to go before we can justify the new data 
structure.

-- 
error compiling committee.c: too many arguments to function

  reply	other threads:[~2011-02-27  9:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-02-22  8:08 [PATCH 0/7] KVM: optimize memslots searching and cache GPN to GFN Xiao Guangrong
2011-02-22  8:09 ` [PATCH 1/7] KVM: cleanup memslot_id function Xiao Guangrong
2011-02-22  8:10 ` [PATCH 2/7] KVM: introduce KVM_MEM_SLOTS_NUM macro Xiao Guangrong
2011-02-22  8:11 ` [PATCH 1/3] KVM: introduce memslots_updated function Xiao Guangrong
2011-02-22  8:12 ` [PATCH 4/7] KVM: sort memslots and use binary search to search the right slot Xiao Guangrong
2011-02-22 14:25   ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-22 14:54     ` Alex Williamson
2011-02-22 18:54       ` [RFC PATCH 0/3] Weight-balanced binary tree + KVM growable memory slots using wbtree Alex Williamson
2011-02-22 18:55         ` [RFC PATCH 1/3] Weight-balanced tree Alex Williamson
2011-02-23 13:09           ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-23 17:02             ` Alex Williamson
2011-02-23 17:08               ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-23 20:19                 ` Alex Williamson
2011-02-24 23:04           ` Andrew Morton
2011-02-22 18:55         ` [RFC PATCH 2/3] kvm: Allow memory slot array to grow on demand Alex Williamson
2011-02-24 10:39           ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-24 18:08             ` Alex Williamson
2011-02-27  9:44               ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-22 18:55         ` [RFC PATCH 3/3] kvm: Use weight-balanced tree for memory slot management Alex Williamson
2011-02-22 18:59         ` [RFC PATCH 0/3] Weight-balanced binary tree + KVM growable memory slots using wbtree Alex Williamson
2011-02-23  1:56         ` Alex Williamson
2011-02-23 13:12         ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-23 18:06           ` Alex Williamson
2011-02-23 19:28             ` Alex Williamson
2011-02-24 10:06               ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-24 17:35                 ` Alex Williamson
2011-02-27  9:54                   ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2011-02-28 23:04                     ` Alex Williamson
2011-03-01 15:03                       ` Avi Kivity
2011-03-01 18:20                         ` Alex Williamson
2011-03-02 13:31                           ` Avi Kivity
2011-03-01 19:47                     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2011-03-02 13:34                       ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-24 10:04             ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-23  1:30     ` [PATCH 4/7] KVM: sort memslots and use binary search to search the right slot Xiao Guangrong
2011-02-22  8:13 ` [PATCH 5/7] KVM: cache the last used slot Xiao Guangrong
2011-02-22 14:26   ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-22  8:15 ` [PATCH 6/7] KVM: cleanup traversal used slots Xiao Guangrong
2011-02-22  8:16 ` [PATCH 7/7] KVM: MMU: cache guest page number to guest frame number Xiao Guangrong
2011-02-22 14:32   ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-23  1:38     ` Xiao Guangrong
2011-02-23  9:28       ` Avi Kivity

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