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From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC v4 00/58] Memory API
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 15:51:06 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4E25EE3A.8030007@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4E25AC5D.1030205@redhat.com>

On 07/19/2011 11:10 AM, Avi Kivity wrote:
> On 07/19/2011 07:05 PM, Avi Kivity wrote:
>> On 07/19/2011 05:50 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There's bits I don't like about the interface
>>>>
>>>> Which bits are these?
>>>
>>> Nothing I haven't already commented on. I think there's too much in
>>> the generic level. I don't think coalesced I/O belongs here. It's a
>>> concept that doesn't fit. I think a side-band API would be nicer.
>>
>> Well, it's impossible to do it in a side band. When a range that has
>> coalesced mmio is exposed is completely orthogonal to programming the
>> BAR register - it can happen, for example, due to another BAR being
>> removed or the bridge window being programmed. You can also have a
>> coalesced mmio region being partially clipped.
>
> Of course, it's not really impossible, just clumsy.

There are exactly two devices that use coalesced I/O: VGA and e1000.

VGA does coalesced I/O over the legacy VGA region (0xa0000 ... 0xc0000). 
  This region is very special in the PC and is directly routed by the 
I440FX to the appropriate first PCI graphics card.

The VGA device knows exactly where this region is mapped.

The e1000 does coalesced I/O for it's memory registers.  But it's 
dubious how much this actually matters anymore.  The original claim was 
a 10% boost with iperf.

The e1000 is not performance competitive with virtio-net though so it 
certainly is reasonable to assume that noone would notice if we removed 
coalesced I/O from the e1000.

The point is, it's so incredibly special cased that having it as part of 
such a general purpose API seems wrong.  Of the hundreds of devices, we 
only have one device that we know for sure really needs it and it could 
easily be done independent of the memory API for that device.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

> You could have
>
> struct MemoryRegionOps {
> void (*on_mapping_added)(t_p_a_t offset, unsigned nr, const AddrRange
> ranges[]);
> void (*on_mapping_removed)(t_p_a_t offset, unsigned nr, const AddrRange
> ranges[]);
> };
>
> the device callbacks would then compare the added or removed ranges with
> the coalesced mmio ranges needed by the device, and call the kvm
> callbacks as needed. But that's not something a device model writer
> should do, IMO (same goes for ioeventfd - they are now part of the API
> as well).
>


  reply	other threads:[~2011-07-19 20:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 104+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-07-17 11:13 [RFC v4 00/58] Memory API Avi Kivity
2011-07-17 11:13 ` [RFC v4 01/58] Hierarchical memory region API Avi Kivity
2011-07-17 11:13 ` [RFC v4 02/58] memory: implement dirty tracking Avi Kivity
2011-07-17 11:13 ` [RFC v4 03/58] memory: merge adjacent segments of a single memory region Avi Kivity
2011-07-17 11:13 ` [RFC v4 04/58] Internal interfaces for memory API Avi Kivity
2011-07-17 11:13 ` [RFC v4 05/58] memory: abstract address space operations Avi Kivity
2011-07-17 11:13 ` [RFC v4 06/58] memory: rename MemoryRegion::has_ram_addr to ::terminates Avi Kivity
2011-07-17 11:13 ` [RFC v4 07/58] memory: late initialization of ram_addr Avi Kivity
2011-07-17 11:13 ` [RFC v4 08/58] memory: I/O address space support Avi Kivity
2011-07-17 11:13 ` [RFC v4 09/58] memory: add backward compatibility for old portio registration Avi Kivity
2011-07-17 11:13 ` [RFC v4 10/58] memory: add backward compatibility for old mmio registration Avi Kivity
2011-07-17 11:13 ` [RFC v4 11/58] memory: add ioeventfd support Avi Kivity
2011-07-20 17:29   ` [Qemu-devel] " Blue Swirl
2011-07-20 17:31     ` Avi Kivity
2011-07-17 11:13 ` [RFC v4 12/58] exec.c: initialize memory map Avi Kivity
2011-07-17 11:13 ` [RFC v4 13/58] ioport: register ranges by byte aligned addresses always Avi Kivity
2011-07-17 11:13 ` [RFC v4 14/58] pc: grab system_memory Avi Kivity
2011-07-17 11:13 ` [RFC v4 15/58] pc: convert pc_memory_init() to memory API Avi Kivity
2011-07-17 11:13 ` [RFC v4 16/58] pc: move global memory map out of pc_init1() and into its callers Avi Kivity
2011-07-17 11:13 ` [RFC v4 17/58] pci: pass address space to pci bus when created Avi Kivity
2011-07-17 11:13 ` [RFC v4 18/58] pci: add MemoryRegion based BAR management API Avi Kivity
2011-07-17 11:13 ` [RFC v4 19/58] sysbus: add MemoryRegion based memory " Avi Kivity
2011-07-17 11:13 ` [RFC v4 20/58] usb-ohci: convert to MemoryRegion Avi Kivity
2011-07-17 11:13 ` [RFC v4 21/58] pci: add API to get a BAR's mapped address Avi Kivity
2011-07-17 11:13 ` [RFC v4 22/58] vmsvga: don't remember pci BAR address in callback any more Avi Kivity
2011-07-17 11:13 ` [RFC v4 23/58] vga: convert vga and its derivatives to the memory API Avi Kivity
2011-07-20 14:05   ` Jan Kiszka
2011-07-20 14:40     ` Avi Kivity
2011-07-20 14:45       ` Jan Kiszka
2011-07-20 14:48         ` Avi Kivity
2011-07-20 14:52           ` Jan Kiszka
2011-07-20 14:55             ` Avi Kivity
2011-07-17 11:13 ` [RFC v4 24/58] cirrus: simplify mmio BAR access functions Avi Kivity
2011-07-17 11:13 ` [RFC v4 25/58] cirrus: simplify bitblt " Avi Kivity
2011-07-17 11:13 ` [RFC v4 26/58] cirrus: simplify vga window mmio " Avi Kivity
2011-07-17 11:13 ` [RFC v4 27/58] vga: " Avi Kivity
2011-07-17 11:13 ` [RFC v4 28/58] cirrus: simplify linear framebuffer " Avi Kivity
2011-07-17 11:13 ` [RFC v4 29/58] Integrate I/O memory regions into qemu Avi Kivity
2011-07-17 11:13 ` [RFC v4 30/58] exec.c: fix initialization of system I/O memory region Avi Kivity
2011-07-17 11:13 ` [RFC v4 31/58] pci: pass I/O address space to new PCI bus Avi Kivity
2011-07-17 11:13 ` [RFC v4 32/58] pci: allow I/O BARs to be registered with pci_register_bar_region() Avi Kivity
2011-07-17 11:14 ` [RFC v4 33/58] rtl8139: convert to memory API Avi Kivity
2011-07-17 11:14 ` [RFC v4 34/58] ac97: " Avi Kivity
2011-07-17 11:14 ` [RFC v4 35/58] e1000: " Avi Kivity
2011-07-17 11:14 ` [RFC v4 36/58] eepro100: " Avi Kivity
2011-07-17 11:14 ` [RFC v4 37/58] es1370: " Avi Kivity
2011-07-17 11:14 ` [RFC v4 38/58] ide: " Avi Kivity
2011-07-17 11:14 ` [RFC v4 39/58] ivshmem: " Avi Kivity
2011-07-17 11:14 ` [RFC v4 40/58] virtio-pci: " Avi Kivity
2011-07-17 11:14 ` [RFC v4 41/58] ahci: " Avi Kivity
2011-07-17 11:14 ` [RFC v4 42/58] intel-hda: " Avi Kivity
2011-07-17 11:14 ` [RFC v4 43/58] lsi53c895a: " Avi Kivity
2011-07-17 11:14 ` [RFC v4 44/58] ppc: " Avi Kivity
2011-07-17 11:14 ` [RFC v4 45/58] ne2000: " Avi Kivity
2011-07-17 11:14 ` [RFC v4 46/58] pcnet: " Avi Kivity
2011-07-17 11:14 ` [RFC v4 47/58] i6300esb: " Avi Kivity
2011-07-17 11:14 ` [RFC v4 48/58] isa-mmio: concert " Avi Kivity
2011-07-17 11:14 ` [RFC v4 49/58] sun4u: convert " Avi Kivity
2011-07-17 11:14 ` [RFC v4 50/58] ehci: " Avi Kivity
2011-07-17 11:14 ` [RFC v4 51/58] uhci: " Avi Kivity
2011-07-17 11:14 ` [RFC v4 52/58] xen-platform: " Avi Kivity
2011-07-17 11:14 ` [RFC v4 53/58] msix: " Avi Kivity
2011-07-17 11:14 ` [RFC v4 54/58] pci: remove pci_register_bar_simple() Avi Kivity
2011-07-17 11:14 ` [RFC v4 55/58] pci: convert pci rom to memory API Avi Kivity
2011-07-17 11:14 ` [RFC v4 56/58] pci: remove pci_register_bar() Avi Kivity
2011-07-17 11:14 ` [RFC v4 57/58] pci: fold BAR mapping function into its caller Avi Kivity
2011-07-17 11:14 ` [RFC v4 58/58] pci: rename pci_register_bar_region() to pci_register_bar() Avi Kivity
2011-07-19 13:09 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v4 00/58] Memory API Anthony Liguori
2011-07-19 13:27   ` Avi Kivity
2011-07-19 14:50     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-07-19 16:05       ` Avi Kivity
2011-07-19 16:10         ` Avi Kivity
2011-07-19 20:51           ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2011-07-19 21:03             ` Sasha Levin
2011-07-20  2:53               ` Anthony Liguori
2011-07-20  6:10                 ` Sasha Levin
2011-07-20  8:12                   ` Avi Kivity
2011-07-20 12:12                   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-07-20  8:10             ` Avi Kivity
2011-07-20 14:31               ` Anthony Liguori
2011-07-20 14:45                 ` Avi Kivity
2011-07-19 13:56 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-07-19 13:57   ` Avi Kivity
2011-07-19 17:01   ` Jan Kiszka
2011-07-19 17:14     ` Avi Kivity
2011-07-19 17:30       ` Jan Kiszka
2011-07-20  8:13         ` Avi Kivity
2011-07-20 11:20           ` Jan Kiszka
2011-07-20 11:59             ` Avi Kivity
2011-07-20 11:43           ` Jan Kiszka
2011-07-20 11:57             ` Avi Kivity
2011-07-20 13:57               ` Jan Kiszka
2011-07-20 14:32                 ` Avi Kivity
2011-07-20 14:37                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-07-20 14:42                     ` Jan Kiszka
2011-07-20 14:54                     ` Avi Kivity
2011-07-20 15:58                       ` Jan Kiszka
2011-07-20 16:02                         ` Avi Kivity
2011-07-20 16:13                           ` Jan Kiszka
2011-07-20 16:19                             ` Avi Kivity
2011-07-20 16:10                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-07-20 16:52                         ` Avi Kivity
2011-07-20 17:06                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-07-20 16:53 ` Avi Kivity

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