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From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
To: Sasha Levin <levinsasha928@gmail.com>
Cc: Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@web.de>, Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>,
	mingo@elte.hu, avi@redhat.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, gorcunov@gmail.com, asias.hejun@gmail.com,
	prasadjoshi124@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] Native Linux KVM tool for 3.1
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 14:59:02 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4E2D6896.5010008@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1311580201.3446.30.camel@lappy>

On 07/25/2011 09:50 AM, Sasha Levin wrote:
> Anthony had a talk on last years KVM forum regarding the QEMU threading
> model (slide:
> http://www.linux-kvm.org/wiki/images/7/70/2010-forum-threading-qemu.pdf) .
>
> It was suggested that the KVM part of QEMU is having a hard time
> achieving the ideal threading model due to its need to support TCG -
> something which has nothing to do with KVM itself.

No, it is not having a hard time.  The "foot in the door" that Anthony 
mentions has been part of QEMU and qemu-kvm for a long time 
(multi-threading is necessary to support SMP!) and works quite well.


Historically, there were three main loops:

1) QEMU single-threaded;

2) QEMU multi-threaded; clean, but buggy, untested and bitrotting;

3) qemu-kvm multi-threaded, forked from (1), ugly but robust and widely 
deployed.

In 0.15 the two multi-threaded versions have been unified by Jan Kiszka. 
  I have even ported (2) to Windows with little or no pain; porting to 
Mac OS X interestingly is harder than Windows, because non-portable 
Linux assumptions about signal handling have crept in the code (to 
preempt the objections: they weren't just non-portabilities, they were 
latent bugs).  Windows just does not have signals. :)

So, right now, the only difference is that QEMU is still defaulting to 
the single-threaded main loop, while qemu-kvm enables multi-threading by 
default.  In some time even QEMU will switch.

Yes, this is of course worse than getting it right in the first place; 
Nobody is saying the opposite.

Paolo

  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-07-25 12:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-07-24 20:37 [GIT PULL] Native Linux KVM tool for 3.1 Pekka Enberg
2011-07-24 23:12 ` Jan Kiszka
2011-07-25  7:37   ` Pekka Enberg
2011-07-25  7:53     ` Ingo Molnar
2011-07-25  8:14       ` Alexander Graf
2011-07-25  8:23         ` Pekka Enberg
2011-07-25  8:31           ` Alexander Graf
2011-07-25  8:35             ` Avi Kivity
2011-07-25 13:10               ` Joerg Roedel
2011-07-25 15:05                 ` Avi Kivity
2011-07-25  8:37             ` Pekka Enberg
2011-07-25  8:44               ` Alexander Graf
2011-07-25  8:51                 ` Pekka Enberg
2011-07-25  8:55                   ` Alexander Graf
2011-07-25  9:16               ` Ingo Molnar
2011-07-25  9:14           ` Ingo Molnar
2011-07-25  8:30         ` Pekka Enberg
2011-07-25  8:37           ` Alexander Graf
2011-07-25  8:47             ` Pekka Enberg
2011-07-25  9:06               ` Alexander Graf
2011-07-25 12:45                 ` Pekka Enberg
2011-07-25 12:47                   ` Avi Kivity
2011-07-25 12:51                     ` Sasha Levin
2011-07-25 12:54                       ` Alexander Graf
2011-07-25 13:14                         ` Sasha Levin
2011-07-25 12:51                     ` Alexander Graf
2011-07-25 13:09                       ` Pekka Enberg
2011-07-25 13:29                         ` Alexander Graf
2011-07-25  9:26               ` Ingo Molnar
2011-07-25  9:42                 ` Alexander Graf
2011-07-25 10:16                   ` Ingo Molnar
2011-07-25 10:21                     ` Alexander Graf
2011-07-25 10:35                       ` Ingo Molnar
2011-07-25 10:47             ` Ingo Molnar
2011-07-25 12:24           ` Kevin Wolf
2011-07-25 12:41             ` Pekka Enberg
2011-07-25 12:46               ` Avi Kivity
2011-07-25  8:54         ` Ingo Molnar
2011-07-25  8:59           ` Ingo Molnar
2011-07-25  9:03           ` Alexander Graf
2011-07-25  9:41             ` Ingo Molnar
2011-07-25  9:46               ` Alexander Graf
2011-07-25 10:28                 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-07-25  9:48               ` Avi Kivity
2011-07-25 10:03                 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-07-25 10:17                   ` Avi Kivity
2011-07-25 10:29                     ` Ingo Molnar
2011-07-25 11:26             ` Olivier Galibert
2011-07-25 10:38         ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-07-25 11:08           ` Ingo Molnar
2011-07-25 11:24             ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-07-25 11:32               ` Ingo Molnar
2011-07-25 11:34               ` Olivier Galibert
2011-07-25 11:41                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-07-25 12:09           ` Ingo Molnar
2011-07-25 12:36           ` Pekka Enberg
2011-07-25 19:21             ` david
2011-07-25 18:24     ` Jan Kiszka
2011-07-25 19:43       ` Pekka Enberg
2011-07-25  7:50   ` Sasha Levin
2011-07-25  8:34     ` Alexander Graf
2011-07-25 12:59     ` Paolo Bonzini [this message]
2011-07-25 13:16       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-07-25  1:19 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-07-25  7:27   ` Pekka Enberg
2011-07-25  7:36     ` Avi Kivity
2011-07-25  7:39       ` Pekka Enberg
2011-07-25  7:55       ` Sasha Levin
     [not found]       ` <CAFO3S428qqUAu19QjPxDDAVv+eJSX0MEfYp5y03znNi6XbEtTg@mail.gmail.com>
2011-07-25  8:11         ` Ingo Molnar
2011-07-25  8:17           ` Pekka Enberg

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